On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:36 PM, C Anthony Risinger <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, lkcl luke <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Steve Spicklemire <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> i've raised bugreports and the mozilla developers don't give a fuck. >> there are other teams of people using xulrunner 10 for embedded >> purposes (not just python-xpcom - people using c++ and java), and the >> mozilla developers _still_ don't give a fuck. > > of course they don't; spewing obscenities and tantrums, and randomly > including them on an obscure list, instantly requiring a defensive > stance, will ever change that Luke. > > people do not respond to such advances. when you don't hold the keys, > you don't get to make the rules, or demand compliance.
no demands were made, anthony. > persuasion is an application of finesse and tact. persuasion isn't a game i'm interested in playing. my role is a little different from that. i'm the one that goes in, being blunt and honest, and people get pissed off, but they hear the truth. they don't _like_ the truth, anthony, but who else would tell it to them, straight? nobody likes being told "you're fucking around with peoples' livelihoods by your lack of consideration" but that's just plain and simple the truth. those people who use xulrunner for commercial purposes in embedded products, their livelihoods are being fucked around by the mozilla foundation's decision to focus on firefox and nothing else. the release cycle is _too fast_ to stabilise the codebase before the next version is released, and it's fucking everything up. that's the simple truth. ... but do you think that those people would be able to say that? so after i've gone in and told them the truth, and the mozilla foundation have rejected it, *then* those people whose livelihoods are being threatened - and all the *other* free software projects that are being put into jeopardy by the mozilla foundation's decisions - can go in "nice and quiet and be all finessey and tactey" all they like, and maybe they will stand a chance of getting results. but *until* i go in and bluntly tell them the truth, all those people will be *afraid* to stand up to the mozilla foundation. i don't _like_ going in and telling people the truth, and i especially don't like being told i'm a fucking idiot for doing so, but that's the way it is. so. perhaps you - or someone else on the list - might like to get onto the mozilla forums and make some enquiries, perhaps raise some bugreports? it's only by doing that that the mozilla foundation is going to get the message. as just one person, i can always go fix things myself, go back to xulrunner 9, compile it up myself, use it for my own purposes... but that's completely irrelevant as to what *i* alone can do. you're working on pywebkitgtk, right now, yes? many of the things that were rejected by that idiot mark rowe have been hypocritically implemented and accepted. video tag's width and height being allowed to be a string parameter was one of the first hypocritical things that was accepted but i was "banned" from submitting patches because i knew that those parameters needed to be strings (not integers). ... but if i hadn't done the work, pushing constantly against him, and exhausting him in the process, mark rowe would have taken it out on *you*, anthony. and on xan. and on all the other people now successfully working on webkit-gobject to knock it into shape. what i do isn't nice, and if i was the egomaniac that people claimed i am, i would be going "oh waily waily, woe is me, i didn't succeed". but that isn't my role. i'm a pathfinder, ahead of the curve, trampling down some of the weeds. l.
