Thanks for this.
I fall into the target audience (hand coder?, hmm.. sounds
incriminating..)
Appreciate the not diving in, but giving context first.

Feedback, fwiw, after just reading, haven't had a chance to try yet
(minor niggles or typos).

- in a tutorial wouldn't the long form of commands be more explanatory?
i.e. instead of 
paster create -t Pylons TWTutorial 
use 
paster create --template=TEMPLATE Pylons TWTutorial

- 'the kind of form CSS fan-boys usually love'
- remove this. I'am all for humor, but this just seems a little jarring.

- 'I hope the above hints one' -> missing 'at' ->  'I hope the above
hints at one'...
-  could you add a bit relating the html to the code here? Not being an
expert, I'm curious to know if things such as 'class="even"' come from
the ListForm class and/or whether this is fixed html output and/or
expecting a related css. At the end of the tutorial you mention in the
coming next: 'How to tweak the form's template to precisely control its
layout.'  So maybe just say that here, i.e. add a paragraph above 'Using
the form in your application' that says: The layout of the form can be
customized. 'How to tweak..' will be the subject of a following
tutorial. 

- 'This is due a limitation' -> missing 'to' -> 'This is due to a
limitation'
- I condider -> I consider

Other than that, this is a great help.
Thanks again!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Valverde
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:01 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: UNS: Re: cleaner "ToscaWidgets"
> 
> 
> Alberto Valverde wrote:
> > Mike Orr wrote:
> >> On 10/22/07, Max Ischenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> On 10/23/07, Mike Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> Glad to hear this. :) So maybe I should reduce the 
> initial scope 
> >>>>> of the docs I have in mind and not dive directly into custom 
> >>>>> widgets but concentrate on how existing widgets are used?
> >>>> Yes.  Think in terms of somebody who has used another 
> Python form 
> >>>> library or has handcoded all their forms, and just wants 
> to use the 
> >>>> standard widgets at first.  They'll be curious about any special 
> >>>> widgets TW provides such as a date picker, WSIWYG editor, combo 
> >>>> box, enhanced file uploader, etc -- things they've had 
> to struggle 
> >>>> with or do without in their other libraries.  They don't want to 
> >>>> build custom widgets yet; they just want to build forms 
> that work.
> >>>  I'd say that even tutorial for a simple form (2-5 
> fields, nothing 
> >>> fancy) would work if it highlights how TW is different from other 
> >>> approaches, like handcoding, and what it can give you.
> >> Good point.  Level 1: what Max said.  Level 2: TW's megawidgets.
> >> Level 3: making your own widgets.  Level 4: making your 
> own composite 
> >> widgets (if that is different).
> >>
> > 
> > Ok, sounds good... I'll post in this thread a draft level 1&2 [1] 
> > tutorial later today.
> 
> Until I can log on to the wiki I've posted the tutorial at my blog:
> http://albertovalverde.es/twforms_tutorial1.html
> 
> Feedback welcomed! :)
> 
> Alberto
> 
> > 
> 

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