Gabriel,

I've managed to render scenes for a movie that had well over 100,000
atoms.  For stills, I've rendered a nucleocapsid of over 292,000 atoms. 
So, I'm sure it can be done.  

I think the real large render only took a few minutes as well.

-- Jason


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> Anyone know if pymol can in any way handle rendering very large 
> molecules (like viral capsids)?  I've got a molecule with 392,095 
> atoms, and an additional 78,406 - atom molecule with 155 different 
> states.  Pymol loads the line rendering just fine, but when I go to 
> cartoon rendering, Pymol crashes.  I'm using 2 dual-processor G5's.
> Is there any way to get this to work?
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> From: Luca Jovine <lucajov...@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [PyMOL] large molecules
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:09:43 -0400
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> On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:39, Gabriel C. Lander wrote:
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> > Anyone know if pymol can in any way handle rendering very large 
> > molecules (like viral capsids)?  I've got a molecule with 392,095 
> > atoms, and an additional 78,406 - atom molecule with 155 different 
> > states.  Pymol loads the line rendering just fine, but when I go to 
> > cartoon rendering, Pymol crashes.  I'm using 2 dual-processor G5's.
> > Is there any way to get this to work?
> > thanks,
> > -gabe
> 
> Hi Gabe,
> 
> I don't know about viral capsids, but I could render the whole 50S 
> subunit (~90000 atoms) with no problems (see 
> http://www.mssm.edu/students/jovinl02/images/50s_large.jpg ) - that is, 
> after reducing the hash_max parameter to 70 (default is 120) to prevent 
> PyMOL from crashing.
> Another two parameters you might want to reduce are stick_quality 
> (default is 8) and cartoon_sampling (default is 7); lowering these will 
> save a lot of memory and not highly affect the quality of an overall 
> view of something as large as a virus... I doubt people will check 
> individual strands within such a picture!
> 
> Hope this helps, good luck - Luca
> 
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> On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:39, Gabriel C. Lander wrote:
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> <excerpt>Anyone know if pymol can in any way handle rendering very
> large molecules (like viral capsids)?  I've got a molecule with
> 392,095 atoms, and an additional 78,406 - atom molecule with 155
> different states.  Pymol loads the line rendering just fine, but when
> I go to cartoon rendering, Pymol crashes.  I'm using 2 dual-processor
> G5's.
> 
> Is there any way to get this to work?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -gabe
> 
> </excerpt>
> 
> Hi Gabe,
> 
> 
> I don't know about viral capsids, but I could render the whole 50S
> subunit (~90000 atoms) with no problems (see
> http://www.mssm.edu/students/jovinl02/images/50s_large.jpg ) - that
> is, after reducing the hash_max parameter to 70 (default is 120) to
> prevent PyMOL from crashing.
> 
> Another two parameters you might want to reduce are stick_quality
> (default is 8) and cartoon_sampling (default is 7); lowering these
> will save a lot of memory and not highly affect the quality of an
> overall view of something as large as a virus... I doubt people will
> check individual strands within such a picture!
> 
> 
> Hope this helps, good luck - Luca
> 
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