I think a wiki to collect various PyMOL wisdom would be great.  We have been 
using wikis internally for various project and they are very handy.  A few 
thoughts/experiences:

- a plan for the organization (especially upfront) is very important.  Once it 
gets going, it will grow organically.  Having a master plan will help with the 
growth.

- require people to register if they want to edit pages.  Makes people more 
responsible, could help with spam, gives users a contact for further info.

- MoinMoin (our choice), is very simple, python based, and has nice markup for 
python code.

- some examples: 
  * wikipedia (the mother of all wikis... just an example - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), 
  * wxPyWiki (wxPython... more along the lines of what we might want - 
http://wiki.wxpython.org/)

Cheers,
Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: pymol-users-ad...@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:pymol-users-ad...@lists.sourceforge.net]on Behalf Of D. Joe
Anderson
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:55 AM
To: pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PyMOL] Re:Wiki Brain Storming


On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:36:29AM +0000, Kristian Rother wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 08 February 2005 01:44, Warren DeLano wrote:
> > Say, what do people think about the idea of creating a PyMOL Wiki to hold
> > nuggets of information like this?     Or is there a better alternative to
> > Wiki now available?
> 
> As i have been maintaining sort of PyMOL FAQ for some time, i would 
> definitely 
> like a Wiki, too. Simply because it would take less time for me to update a 
> Wiki rather than HTML pages. Thus, i strongly encourage setting up a Wiki, 
> and i would like to transfer all the answers i have collected there.
> 
> If anyone is wondering what i'm talking about, look at 
> http://www.rubor.de/bioinf/pymol_tips.html

I agree, a wiki could make that trove much easier to maintain,
certainly to share out some of the maintenance.

> I know Wiki's that suffer or starve from inactivity, but i never heard of one 
> that got unusable because malevolent users permanently put *graffitti* on the 
> pages. 

Permanently?  Probably not.  But that may be because the better
known wikis are the active ones.  The active ones get attention
from enough legitimately-interested folks to keep reverting back
to topical content when graffiti gets added.  

More problematic has been the rise of wiki spambots, which have
been ravaging some of the low-volume wikis I run for myself.  I
need to upgrade these to one of the newer versions of the wiki
engine I use, which include several different features which
protect against this type of spamming.  

> However, a good Wiki needs to be structured beforehand, rather than having 
> everything grow by itself. Users will add things where aproppriate, anyway. 
> Thus, in a heavily used Wiki its definitely easy to get lost.

Agreed.  To have a better shot at success, a wiki needs to be
seeded with some initial content, and some initial stylistic
conventions (free links vs CamelCase wiki names, for instance)
should be set down.

-- 
D. Joe Anderson, Asst. Sci.    2252 Molecular Biology Bldg   
  Biochem, Biophys, & Mol Bio  Iowa State Univ, Ames, IA 50010
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