I'm just wondering if anyone has updates to this information sent out
back in October of last year. I'm looking to purchase 1 robot for use in
an AI class. The idea is to use it for demos and so that students who
have written Pyro programs to run under simulations can test their
programs on a real robot.

Has anyone tried Pyro with Erratic.  I'm wondering how Erratic compares
to the AmigoBot and how useful it is to have an onboard processor.

Rich

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Here's another option designed by Kurt Konolige that I did not know
about:

7. Erratic, http://www.videredesign.com/robotics/. Looks to be an
alternate platform to the Pioneer. Runs Linux and Player, so Pyro should
work straight away. Videre Design specializes in Vision, and I may have
to
get their stereo vision option ($1400); that looks quite amazing and
fast.

(I also agree with Grant's warning about Ebay and Aibo... almost
happened
to me. Just don't send any money through Western Union, nor do any
activity outside of Ebay and you should be safe.)

If you want to see some reviews of some of these 7 mentioned robots, you
should follow http://blog.roboteducation.org/

-Doug

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William,

This is the $64,000 question!

Unfortunately, there is not a $64,000 answer. The answer will really
depend on the details of what you want to explore, what you value, and
how much money you want to spend.

There are pros and cons to all of the following options, and maybe other
will have their own opinions. But, here are some options (all of these
have some type of vision, and either work with Pyro, or soon will):

1. Roomba, from iRobot. This option is quite cost-effective, and with
some clever thinking, you can do a lot. I really think a modern robot
has to have a camera, and you can put a laptop with a webcam on the
roomba. My roomba is in the mail, so I can't personally can't comment
yet on the recent additions to Pyro by James Snow that allow Pyro to
control the roomba. (James's code looks excellent, though!) Also, Pyro's
vision code currently only works under Linux. This isn't a
self-contained robot though, so it will take a little work to get the
laptop, software, webcam, and needed parts.

2. ePuck, from GCtronic. I'm just starting to test this out. It is a
little pricey and small, but looks like a nice challenger to the
Khepera, if you like desktop robotics. Pyro support should be easy (may
use the exact same commands as Khepera, which is already supported).

3. Hemisson, from K-Team, and RoadNarrows. A little pricey (once you add
all of the needed attachments) and is missing odometry (which the Aibo
never had). The vision is done through a separate wireless analog
connection. I have had issues with dropped connections, but I know Kim
and Robin have been working on this for a couple of years.

4. Surveyor SRV-1, from Surveyor.com. I don't know very much about this
one, but it looks like it might be able to quite a bit. I have one of
these in the mail, too, so I'll know more in a week or two.

5. AmigoBot from MobileRobot.com. The smallest and cheapest (but still
pricey) from the company that produces many robots for research. It can
play wav files, has a wireless camera (like the Hemisson), and uses the
standard MobileRobot interface. Pyro should work with it through the
Player interface. I haven't had one for 8 years, so others might have
more to say.

6. Pioneer from MobileRobot.com. The standard in research robotics. Very
pricey, but very flexible. Comes in a variety of options (indoor,
outdoor, PeopleBot, gripper, etc).

There are some other options on the horizon (few months off), and this
will surely be a topic at both AAAI Spring Symposium, and at SIGCSE.

Any other ideas?

-Doug

William Yu wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone suggest an alternative hardware platform to AIBO?  
> 
>  
> 
> I recently (actual, it's been a few month now) received a small 
> internal grant to purchase 4-5
> 
> AIBO for my AI class using the PYRO.  Unfortunately, although this 
> seems a pretty good idea
> 
> when I wrote the proposal in January, I can not get any AIBO now that 
> the money is available.
> 
> I'm wondering if any of you could suggest an alternative to AIBO. I'm 
> looking for something that
> 
> is relatively powerful and is supported by  PYRO in the window's 
> environment.  As for my AI class,
> 
> I just wanted to do a few simple modules such as reactive control and 
> behavior-based control modules
> 
> plus one other advanced module.  Since it'll be just be a relatively 
> small part of the AI class, I'd really
> 
> like to work with something that's sufficiently sophisticated yet 
> already supported by PYRO simulator
> 
> so as to minimize the learning curve.  That's also pretty much the 
> reason that I selected AIBO, besides it being so cool.
> 
>  
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> 
>  
> 
> William Yu
> 
> Computer Science
> 
> Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
> 
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