--- "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think this whole debate could be put to rest by > > agreeing to err on the side of ascii in 3.0 beta, > and > > if in real world experience, that turns out to be > the > > wrong decision, simply fix it in 3.0 production, > 3.1, > > or 3.2. >
I wrote this a while back, and at the time I wrote, I felt it was a pretty reasonable statement. Having said that, after following this thread a little more... > Likewise, this whole debate could also be put to > rest > by agreeing to err on the side of unrestricted > support > for the PEP, and if that turns out to be the wrong > decision, simply fix any problems discovered in 3.0 > production, 3.1, or 3.2. > ...I am now in favor of the PEP, with no restrictions, even though it now goes a little further than I'd like. I wish the debate would turn to actual use cases. For example, one of the arguments behind PEP 3131 is that it will facilitate the use of Python in educational environments. It would be interesting to hear from actual teachers what their biggest impediments to using Python are right now. It could be that the lack of foreign language documentation is far bigger an impediment to using Python in a Chinese classroom than the current restrictions on ASCII identifiers. It could be that the standard library involves knowing too much English, which PEP 3131 won't really address. It could be that teachers simply want error messages to be internationalized, so that students can follow tracebacks, and identifiers aren't really an issue. It could be that some foreign schools actually embrace the use of an English alphabet in Python, as it allows for a more integrated education opportunity (students learn an important programming language while simultaneously mastering one of the world's most commercially important written languages...). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 _______________________________________________ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com