On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 8:59 PM, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008, Jim Fulton wrote: >>> >>> I don't know what that means. I don't know that Jython or >>> IronPython >>> need to support cPickle. Honestly, I'd be happy to see a *much* >>> smaller standard library and, IMO, the standard library doesn't need >>> to include pickle or cPickle. >> >> While it's easy enough to work around, my company would be unhappy if >> pickle were removed, and so would my previous company. > > I don't know why Jim is saying this (*),
I think the standard library is bloated. I'd much prefer to see a leaner standard library that really provides features that are close to the language and provide a packaging system that make it easy to install other packages as needed. I think setuptools is a pretty good start at this. > but it's not going to happen. > pickle is here to stay. cPickle is a different story; 99% of programs > shouldn't be bothered with the choice between the two. IMO, the programs the people who care about cPickle don't want to sacrifice speed to get the same flexibility as pickle. Similarly, I don't want to lose pickles flexibility in the interest of unification. > (*) I can only speculate that it's because Jim, whose ZODB is probably > pickle's most intensive user, Maybe, but I'm not sure. > would like to "own" it Not particularly. > and would like to > evolve it much faster than the nearly frozen version in the standard > library. Fortunately, that's not the case anymore. (Except maybe for settling the inst_persistent_id optimization.) > I would like to suggest that Jim can evolve pickle without > removing it from the standard library -- he could just include a fork > in the Zope package. Of course. No need to suggest it. :) As I said earlier, I have a general desire to see a smaller standard library. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation _______________________________________________ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com
