There are two issues** here: (1) def foo(L=[]): the [] is a single list, not a new list created every time the function is called.
(2) def foo(L=list()): the list() is evaluated once when the function is declared. I think (1) is easy to explain; I find (2) confusing. (**Yes, I realize that these can be considered the same issue, but I'm speaking here as a person writing python programs, not designing the language.) On the other hand, consider this code: bar = 1 def foo(arg=bar): print(arg) bar = 2 foo() I would be very surprised if foo() printed 2 rather than 1. The difference to my (programmer's) mind is that in this case bar looks like a simple value and list() looks like a function call. So it's not quite that simple. At least the way it works now is completely consistent and the code: def foo(arg=None): arg = bar if arg is None else arg arg2 = list() if arg is None else arg is unambiguous if clumsy. Now thinking as a language designer, C# has a ?? operator where A??B is shorthand for (B if A is None else A) except you only have to write A once and A is only evaluated once. A Pythonesque version of this would be just "else": def foo(arg=None, arg2=None): arg = arg else bar arg2 = arg2 else list() And I think that metaphor is easy to read. Chains of else operators can be useful: x = f() else g() else h() else 0 --- Bruce
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