Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

Agreed.  I believe Al's menu revision suggested moving Debugger to Run. 
Debugger has to hook into Shell because it has to see packets moving between 
Shell and the execution process. Opening the debugger window currently requires 
that Shell already be open. Running a file opens Shell.  So we need to rewrite 
Debugger to delay hooking into Shell unless Shell is present .. or until it is 
activated (by running a file).  I believe this could be done by having a 
.connect_to_shell method that can be called either from .__init__ or the 
activate method.

There are several worse problems with Debugger.  I think they need some 
consideration together, lest a patch for one issue interfere with a patch for 
another.

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