Terry J. Reedy <tjre...@udel.edu> added the comment:
In the last few months, configdialog has been refactored to have a class for
each settings tab. This makes it easier to revise and add new options, such as
'menu language'.
With this done, the IDLE features implemented as (optional) extensions were
turned into normal features. Non-key option settings were moved to the General
tab. The menu items were moved to mainmenu.py. Having everything in one place
should make translation easier. When making further menu system changes, I
will keep I18n in mind.
AFAIK, there is no runtime need to have 60+translation calls in the invisible
mainmenu.menudefs structure, which would make it harder to read. I would
rather change the 'label=name' option in menu item insertion calls to
'label=_(name)' or 'label=gettext(name)' or possibly 'label=trandict[name]. In
macosx the explicit "label='window'" would need the same change. So would the
scattered context menu insertion calls.
Just for translating the menu, gettext seems possibly like overkill. I remain
reluctance to use it without my questions above answered. Another question:
can the automatic selection mechanism be overridden by the user?
All that is needed is a simple template file that creates a translation
dictionary I think translation would be easiest if the template preserved both
the order and hierarchical structure. It would be trivial to write a function
to create a full version of the following.
trandict = {
'file':
'_New File':
...
...
}
[Note: top level names like 'file' are lowercased in menudefs but then
capitalized in the menu. Maybe they should be uppercased to start with.]
The output instead could match what whatever the gettext machinery requires. I
don't know if the gettext extractor preserves the order, but I am sure it will
not preserve the structure.
Recently, translations were added to the official doc site. A translation of
the IDLE section should have a good-enough translation of the menu that can be
extracted into a dict for IDLE. The only problem is that they will not have
the underscores for hot keys. I don't know if these are universally used.
The Japanese translation includes the IDLE section. The top level names (File,
Edit, ... Help) are not tranlated. Perhaps the team felt that such terms
should be familiar enough to Japanese users to not need translation. The
dropdown menu labels *are* translated, but keep the English, as in
'New File [新規ファイル]'. In any case, this is enough for experiments.
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assignee: -> terry.reedy
versions: +Python 3.7 -Python 2.7, Python 3.4, Python 3.5
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