> On 17 Jul 2018, at 02:02, Tim Peters <tim.pet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [Tim] >> Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in >> "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even >> overlap with the PSF's proper concerns. >> >> But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been in >> those at times. The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major PEPs is just a >> small part of that. Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty common to see a >> "Save your breath. That's not going to happen." from Guido to end a >> distracting alternative (sub)proposal persistently promoted by one (or a >> few) very active and/or loquacious posters. > [Jack Jansen] > >> This is a very good point. And it is a role that is not “formally encoded” >> anywhere, and one that I think cannot be formally encoded. >> >> And actually I wonder whether this role could be fulfilled by any >> person/committee/procedure other than Guido himself. Which means that in >> future we should prepare for doing without this role. Which will lead to >> more contentious issues being put in front of the >> whatever-body-replaces-the-bdfl, because the early weeding out isn’t going >> to happen. >> > I'm not quite as hopeless ;-) Most notions on python-ideas are dropped > voluntarily, after it's clear that they generate little interest - or massive > hostility ;-) > > For one that proceeds to a preliminary PEP, I think it would be wise for the > Elders (whatever it's called) to appoint a BDFL-workalike for that specific > PEP. Which may or may not be an Elder. That person would need to commit to > staying current with the PEP's progress, and would have final "yes/no", > "this/that", ... authority on all the design decisions on the way to > polishing the PEP. But not the final accept/reject decision (if the PEP > survives that long).
I’m not hopeless either:-) But the point I was trying to make is that Guido has a standing _within the wider community_ that will cause people to sit and ponder his replies, in stead of quickly replying and going into the defensive. The Elders will probably miss that standing in the community at large, at least for the time being. So I think we should prepare for more and longer heated discussions, and make sure that the procedures for the eventual decision are such that people can generally live with the outcome and don’t turn their back on the community. -- Jack Jansen, <jack.jan...@cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman _______________________________________________ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
