On 08/06/2005, at 8:33 AM, Barry Pearce wrote:
Indeed Im for fixing it...its on my list of things to do...right after
'do everything the company want RSN'!!!!
I do believe it should be mod_python that is fixed. I have a VERY big
need for reload of modules *without* taking down my server - end users
are using it and credit card transactions are taking place....I cannot
afford to take it down...
As for vampire - why would I want vampire? mod_python is great except
this. I personally have no interest in adding yet more software to my
system just to solve the mod_python import issue - Id rather it was
fixed in the right place...not everyone uses vampire...
From what I can see, hardly anyone actually uses Vampire and a big
reason is
probably the same attitude you are expressing. :-(
To echo a comment I just made in a separate posting to the main mailing
list,
I believe that mod_python and Apache in combination have huge potential
as
being a base for quite powerful and complex systems. I feel though that
most
people don't really appreciate the fullness of what mod_python has to
offer
and just scratch the surface. Things aren't helped by mod_python having
some
rough edges and gaps in its basic functionality which if present would
make
it so much easier for people new to mod_python to make use of it. As a
result
of these gaps I keep seeing people trying to harness what is provided in
mod_python in ways that it probably shouldn't, resulting in code which
over
time will just become messy and hard to manage. This may be okay for
simple
systems, but in a complicated system its asking for trouble.
One can liken mod_python to providing a good foundation and some basic
bits
and pieces for building a house. Some of these bits are currently
broken or
don't function in an ideal way. The point of Vampire is to provide fixed
versions of some of these bits and to provide some better bits to help
you
in building your house. What Vampire isn't is a preconstructed house
which you
are forced to adopt. I get the impression from various people that they
think
Vampire is a house and as such it will be inflexible because it can
only be
used in a certain way, consequently the often repeated thought I see
expressed
is "why would I want to use it?".
In some respects, some of the bits and ideas embodied in Vampire are
things
that should be in the core mod_python package. At the moment though, I
see
enough bugs and other issues in mod_python that need fixing that one is
better
concentrating on them first, rather than trying to push more stuff in
there.
At least to my mind, Vampire is serving at the moment as a test bed for
stuff
that could be later incorporated into mod_python when a clear idea
develops
of where the best way to take mod_python would be. Unfortunately, a lot
of
people seem to feel that since it isn't in mod_python now, that there
can't be
much point to it and it isn't worth investigating. :-(
Graham
