Sorry, a couple more questions.

When you kill the child process, is Apache under load, ie., receiving
lots of requests or in an idle state with no requests being received?
Also, do you get the same results if you set "StartServers" to 2 and
kill off only one child process?

If you only have one child process and kill it, and lots of requests are
coming in, am wandering if Apache gets confused, thinking that the newly
spawned child process isn't ready and thus it decides to start a new
one. If this were happening but you have "StartServers" at 2 to begin
with such that you always have at least 1 child process even when you
kill off one of the originals, all those requests coming in would get
bumped off to the remaining child process and Apache may decide
not to create additional child processes.

Hope you can see what I am thinking.

Graham


Michel Jouvin wrote ..
> Graham,
> 
> Sorry for the ambiguity. With worker MPM, the max number of process is
> the 
> max number of threads divided by the number of thread per process. My 
> config is :
> 
> # worker MPM
> # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start
> # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections
> # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare
> # MaxSpareThreads: maximum number of worker threads which are kept spare
> # ThreadsPerChild: constant number of worker threads in each server process
> 
> <IfModule worker.c>
> MaxClients       245
> StartServers     1
> MinSpareThreads  5
> MaxSpareThreads 10
> ThreadsPerChild 35
> </IfModule>
> 
> In our case that means that one process can handle 35 requessts and 
> normally we have only one httpd slave running.
> 
> After mod_python receives a signal like KILL or SEGV (in fact anything
> except TERM or HUP if  I am right, you can test with kill command), I have
> 8 httpd slave processes and the following message in main Apache error
> log 
> file :
> 
> [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients
> setting
> 
> The only solution is to stop and start (not graceful restart) Apache.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michel
> 
> --On lundi 21 novembre 2005 19:28 -0500 Graham Dumpleton 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Michel Jouvin wrote ..
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I recently installed mod_python 3.2b5 on Apache 2.0.54. I am running
> with
> >> problems if httpd slave process segfaults or is killed. In this case,
> >> master process restart the max number of processes/threads. We are
> >> running Apache with the MPM worker (on Tru64 platform).
> >>
> >> This behaviour appears only if mod_python is loaded into Apache. this
> >> doesn't seem to be related to mod_python usage : this can happen if
> you
> >> load mod_python even if no URL is configured to use it. You can easily
> >> reproduce the problem by doing 'kill -KILL' of an Apache slave process.
> >>
> >> Is it a known issue ? Are they any workaround ?
> >
> > What settings do you have in Apache config for:
> >
> > <IfModule worker.c>
> ># StartServers         2
> > StartServers         1
> > MaxClients         150
> > MinSpareThreads     25
> > MaxSpareThreads     75
> > ThreadsPerChild     25
> > MaxRequestsPerChild  0
> > </IfModule>
> >
> > Can you then relate your problem to your configuration with actual
> > numbers?
> >
> > Note that with "worker" configuration, there isn't generally a
> > MaxSpareServers or MinSpareServers setting as I understand, that is for
> > prefork only.
> >
> > <IfModule prefork.c>
> > StartServers         5
> > MinSpareServers      5
> > MaxSpareServers     10
> > MaxClients         150
> > MaxRequestsPerChild  0
> > </IfModule>
> >
> > So not sure when you say that it creates maximum number of processes
> > what you are exactly talking about. I might expect it to create number
> > of processes as specified by StartServers.
> >
> > Thus, can you please clarify.
> >
> > Graham
> 
> 
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