On 9/2/05, Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Since > the print function seems to be intended mainly for newbies and simple > debugging,
I think there have been quite a few comments here from people who *don't* see the print statement [1] as "mainly for newbies and simple debugging". But just to be absolutely clear, I find the print statement useful in general code - not just debugging code, not trivial scripts. I don't consider myself a "newbie". I hesitate to speak for others, but I believe that I'm not the only one in this situation. [1] Sorry, you said "print function". But you seem to be aiming the function as able to address everyone's concerns over features they like in the print *statement* so I think my point stands. Oh, yes - I also know about the "warts" in print (the >> syntax, and the trailing comma). They don't bother me - I use them on occasion and find them useful, rather than annoying. Yes, I know about stream.write and its variations. I know I can write a print function which adds spaces. Nevertheless, I still find the print statement more convenient, easier to understand and read, and frankly, not as ugly. *This is a personal opinion*. You aren't going to change my mind, and nor are you under any obligation to try. I won't discard Python if print is dropped, but I will be a little saddened. > I'm having trouble coming up with examples where this is > really necessary. I'd like to see a few examples where it's crucial > that the final newline is suppressed. No-one is saying "crucial". We're just expressing opinions. But so are those (even Guido!) who want to remove the print statement. No-one has come up with a genuine, objective benefit to removing it (that I can see). If there isn't one, then we're left with preferences, and Guido's trumps everyone else's. You (as someone who agrees with Guido) don't have anything to prove. Those of us who want to change Guido's mind need to impress him with the strength of our opinions :-). Sorry about that - I just get a bit tired of feeling like everyone's characterising me as either a newbie, or as not writing "real" code... Paul. _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
