Mmm. Well, we said what we had to say. I think we both agree there's no point in continuing. ;-) Cheers.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:54 PM Piper Thunstrom <pathunst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:36 AM Giampaolo Rodola' <g.rod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No we don't. Who are you to tell others what they should be aware of > > or what they should fight for? And why should I join your battle that > > I don't even agree with? Most of us probably had no idea what Elements > > of Style was before this thread started, and *none* of us has ever > > attributed any racial meaning to it in the 19 years since PEP-8 was > > put in place. I still don't attribute any racial meaning to it, > > despite all the twisted explanations which were given about the > > correlation with white supremacy, which AFAIK are only shared by you > > and the person who pushed this PR, who is also a newcomer. If anybody > > can come up here for the first time, impose their world view on the > > majority just "because it's oppressive", and do this sort of > > pandemonium, then we can kiss Python goodbye. It also means there > > virtually is no end to this in the long run, because anyone can come > > up with any sort of funny theory in order to tilt the direction of the > > language and deviate its culture from the outside. > > > > -- > > Giampaolo - gmpy.dev > > It's disheartening as hell to watch a core dev so clearly despise the > idea of growing the Python community. > > You have open contempt of the code of conduct, despite the growing > movement of underrepresented minorities stating that codes of conduct > make them feel safer in their communities. > > You openly belittle the contributions of people you view as "newcomers". > > You uphold that grand tradition of technical people who decide that > because they are ignorant to a specific kind of oppression, that > oppression doesn't exist. > > My focus in Python is not specifically the advancement of the language > as a language (though I care about that, otherwise why would I be > subscribed to this list at all?). My focus > and love for Python is as a community. And I care, specifically, that > I see three threads that are leaving me breathless and sad for my > community. I am imagining the pain and hurt > these conversations will cause for people who are not as well > positioned and not as comfortable in the community. We are going to > lose FUTURE contributors because your vitriol > and hate for people who care about oppression as it intersects the > Python community. > > You may very well think that's the optimal way for a language to be. > > I do not. We must, as a community, examine our prejudices and aim to > be welcoming or we're going to see a split in Python much worse than > Py2 -> Py3. > > Piper Thunstrom > > My public key is available at https://keybase.io/pathunstrom > Public key fingerprint: 8FF9 3F4E C447 55EC 4658 BDCC A57E A7A4 86D2 644F -- Giampaolo - gmpy.dev _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/YU3PRLKET4RZWTP3RPMHSJ4Z73GWBXPE/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
