On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 7:15 PM Denis Kotov <redrad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ethan Furman wrote:
> > On 4/16/21 10:43 AM, redrad...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Sd8A6_fYU
> > > or read some articles ... otherwise I will need to spend too many time
> providing evidences to you and after all you will probably will reject
> anyway (because lots of people is biased and they even do not understand
> that, it is not about you, it is in general)
> > > You are the one proposing the change, so it's up to you to provide the
> evidence for it.  If you aren't willing to put in
> > a few hours for that effort, why should we put the weeks and months to
> port the code over?
> > --
> > ~Ethan~
>
> I do not ask porting code, I ask using new code with C++ and if code was
> tested enough to reimplement it in C++ with RAII, <algorithms>
>
> Also I suggest using C++ excepting that most of the people here now it ...
> It was not intended to teach C++ here, especially in Mail List )))
>
> And reason why you at least should try learn other languages, it is
> because it will make you better developer
>
Hi Denis,

While I can accept that your intentions are honourable, did you stop to
think that you are casting aspersions at a very capable and in many cases
senior developers by suggesting that the reason they will not adopt C++ as
an implementation language?

You are correct that there is a deal of inertia behind C as the
implementation language for CPython, as indeed there should be. It
represents a huge investment, and has created valuable artefacts. As
someone who isn't a core developer but manages programmers professionally
it seems to me that you are ignoring many easily detectable issues, some
technical and some social.

   - Who will put in the engineering effort to ensure that C++ code is
   supported within CPython codebase on all supported platforms?
   - Who will create and maintain the extra tests this would require?
   - Who will handle the inevitable deep bugs that the introduction of a
   not-fully-compatible technology will create?
   - By how much would such a change enlarge the core developer community?
   I so far know of one person it would add—you! What's the return on the
   effort?

Remember, relatively few people are paid to work on CPython. Most do it for
love and/or to scratch personal technical itches. What would they get out
of the adoption of C++. While your enthusiasm is welcome, it's beginning to
become a little wearing. Perhaps there's some history in the
python-dev archives that would inform you of previous discussions and help
you repeating already-considered arguments. I'm struggling to see the
benefits here, and your presumption that experienced team members should
immediately be persuaded by your arguments seems a little, well,
presumptuous.


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