>> It does seem a bit silly to actually be tracking that refcount :-)

Not that silly. It can easily help in C extensions to detect wrong DECREF
calls:

>> import ctypes
>> non = ctypes.c_long.from_address(id(None))
>> non.value = 10
>>
Fatal Python error: none_dealloc: deallocating None
Python runtime state: finalizing (tstate=0x000055c66cf263f0)

Current thread 0x00007f4afa383740 (most recent call first):
  <no Python frame>
[1]    635685 abort (core dumped)  python

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 00:31, Christopher Barker <python...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:00 PM Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
>
>
>> who cares if the refcount for None is 5000 or 1610612736? As long as the
>> refcount of *mortal* objects is the same as it was before, this shouldn't
>> be a problem.
>>
>
> indeed:
>
> $ python -c "import sys; print(sys.getrefcount(None))"
> 4110
>
> and a newly started iPython session:
>
> In [2]: sys.getrefcount(None)
> Out[2]: 28491
>
> It does seem a bit silly to actually be tracking that refcount :-)
>
> -CHB
>
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