On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 8:31 AM Pradeep Kumar Srinivasan
<gohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This PEP [1] introduces a simple and intuitive way to annotate methods and 
> classmethods that return an instance of their class. Such methods and 
> classmethods occur quite frequently, but the existing way to annotate them 
> correctly is quite arcane and error-prone. The PEP introduces a special type 
> `Self` to represent the type of the `self` parameter, similar to the `this` 
> type in TypeScript and the `Self` type in Rust. We have implementations for 
> mypy and pyright. The PEP does not affect CPython directly except for the 
> addition of one special form (Self) to typing.py [2].
>
> Since we have reached consensus on the PEP in typing-sig [3], we wanted to 
> get your comments and suggestions before submitting to the Steering Council.
>
> Thanks,
> Pradeep Kumar Srinivasan
> James Hilton-Balfe
>
> [1]: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0673/
> [2]: Adding `Self` to typing_extensions.py: 
> https://github.com/python/typing/pull/933
> [3]: See the comments from typing-sig members on the Google doc: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ujuSMXDmSIOJpiZyV7mvBEC8P-y55AgSzXcvhrZciuI/edit?usp=sharing

Hello, and thanks for the PEP!
Sorry I'm late, but I have two curious questions about the PEP.
I don't think they should hold back accepting the PEP, but I'm
interested in the answers.

The PEP uses `reveal_type`, a function that's appeared in a few PEPs
already, but was never described. Is it a standard function in typing
tools, something specific to mypy, or pseudocode?

The PEP says "we reject Self in metaclasses."
"Metaclass" can mean "subclass of `type`", or it can refer to how a
value is used -- for example, you can write `class
Foo(metaclass=print): ...`.
In the PEP's example, is MyMetaclass rejected because:
- it's used as a metaclass in a class statement, or
- it's a subclass of `type` (so it's rejected even if unused), or
- it becomes a class of a class?
Or is the exact interpretation best left to the type checker?
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