Reading this thread and thinking about discuss.python.org/Discourse - I'm surprised no one is advocating github discussions <https://docs.github.com/en/discussions>.
In particular organisation discussions <https://github.blog/changelog/2022-04-12-organization-discussions/> would provide an obvious central place for discussions that would be easy to find and use for everyone. Advantages of github discussions: - Virtually all developers have a github account and are familiar with github & GFM - Github provides great support for participating or watching discussion via email - Discourse is really bad at this (at least by default) - GH discussions obviously integrate well with the rest of github - links to issues & pull requests (including other repos), discussions can be moved to other repos, issues can be created from discussions, issues can be converted to discussions - e.g. if someone creates a bug report which should really be a feature discussion - No extra service to maintain or pay for - GH discussions (unlike issues) provide good threading functionality without the full treeview madness of hackernews etc. Before going "all in" with discuss.python.org/Discourse I think GH discussions should be seriously considered. Samuel -- Samuel Colvin On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 12:19, Petr Viktorin <encu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > Currently development discussions are split between multiple > communication channels, for example: > - python-dev and discuss.python.org for design discussions, > - GitHub Issues and Pull Requests for specific changes, > - IRC, Discord and private chats for real-time discussions, > - Topic-specific channels like typing-sig. > > While most of these serve different needs, there is too much overlap > between python-dev and discuss.python.org. It seems that for most > people, this situation is worse than sticking to either one platform – > even if we don't go with that person's favorite. > > The discuss.python.org experiment has been going on for quite a while, > and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a > success. The Core Development category is busier than python-dev. > According to staff, discuss.python.org is much easier to moderate.. If > you're following python-dev but not discuss.python.org, you're missing > out. > > The Steering Council would like to switch from python-dev to > discuss.python.org. > Practically, this means: > - Moving the required PEP announcements to discuss.python.org > - Moving discuss.python.org up in the devguide communications page > (https://devguide.python.org/communication/) > - And that's it? > > I imagine that the mailing list will stay around for continuing past > discussion threads and for announcements, eventually switching to > auto-reject incoming messages with a pointer to discuss.python.org. > > To be clear, discuss.python.org allows editing posts, which is frankly > handy for typos and clarifications. Editing alone should not be used for > adding new info -- we should cultivate a culture of being friendly to > mail users & notification watchers. This probably bears repeating in a > few places. > > We're aware not everyone wants to use the discuss.python.org website, > but there are some ways to avoid it: > > - For new PEPs, you can point your RSS client to > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/peps.rss – it's not e-mail, but many > email clients have RSS support. You can also watch the Steering Council > issues on GitHub (https://github.com/python/steering-council/issues/) > for important questions and discussions. > > - You can use discuss.python.org's “mailing list mode” (which subscribes > you to all new posts), possibly with filtering and/or categorizing > messages locally. > > However, we would like to know if this will pose an undue burden to > anyone, if there are workflows or usage problems that we are not aware > of. As mentioned, this is something the Steering Council thinks is a > good idea, but we want to make sure we're aware of all the impact when > we make the final decision. > > > > – Petr, on behalf of the Steering Council > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/VHFLDK43DSSLHACT67X4QA3UZU73WYYJ/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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