The signal() doc is rather vague on the point, since it doesn´t define the 
availible set
of signals.  It doesn´t even say that a signal identifier is an integer.  But 
it says that it should return EINVAL if it "cannot satisfy the request".  It 
doesn´t say "if the request is invalid", but I don't want to go into 
hairsplitting here.  So I could agree with you there.

But I completely disagree when you insist that microsoft has broken the C 
library.  What
they have done is added parameter validation, and thus simply added code in the 
"undefined"
domain.
I would also like to point out that, again apart from signal(), you are relying 
on undefined behaviour of fopen and others.  It may well cause a crash on one 
of your other platforms one day, you have no way of knowing.  VS2005 just 
pointed that out to you.

So, it is my suggestion that in stead of going all defensive, and shouting 
"breakage", why not simply fix those very dubious CRT usage patterns?  Think of 
it as lint.

Also, consider this:  in the case of file() and strftime() we are passing in 
dynamic strings.  The strings are not within control of python.  Normally these 
are static strings, within the control of the developer which has the function 
reference on hand, knows what he wants and so on.  Yet, here we are passing in 
any old strings.  There is a huge undefined domain there, and we should be very 
concerned about that.  It is a wonder we haven´t seen these functions crash 
before.

I would like to see the question about whether or not to use VS2005 be made 
purely on the merit of what is most practical (and useful) for people, rather 
than some emotional arguments about with loaded terms like "breakage", and 
personal feelings towards Microsoft.

(And by the way, why does pythoncore.dll mess with signal() anyway?  shouldn´t 
that be python.exe?  I don´t want a dll that I embed to mess with my signal 
handling) 

Cheers,

Kristján

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin v. Löwis" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. júní 2006 13:28
To: Scott Dial
Cc: Python Dev; Kristján V. Jónsson
Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.4 extensions require VC 7.1?


Sure, I can *make* the library conform to C 99. I could also write my own C 
library entirely to achieve that effect. The fact remains that VS 2005 violates 
standard C where VS 2003 and earlier did not:
A conforming program will abort, instead of completing successfully.
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