Raymond Hettinger wrote:
From: "Antoine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 For me the problem is not about ditching the % operator for an
intuitively-named method like format(). It's the format syntax which has
become much more complicated and error-prone without any clear advantage.

It's seems that way to me too. But, it may be one of those things that you quickly get used to.

%r is about the worst case for the new syntax relative to the old - two characters become 5. It's worth looking at what those extra characters buy us though:

{0!r}

{}: Conversion to a bracketed format is what allows us the flexibility to permit arbitrary format strings (such as datetime formatting), as well as the

0: Explicit positional argument references allow arguments to be re-used (not quite sold on this one personally - surely named arguments are even better for that?)

!: Explicit separators (: or !) allow the option of flexible object-controlled formatting, while still permitting the basic formatting of str/repr/ascii if desired.

I'm really starting to wonder if supporting positional arguments to str.format() *at all* is a mistake. Maybe we should ditch support for positional arguments and just accept a single dictionary as the sole parameter to format().

For dictionary formatting, str.format() is a clear winner over str.__mod__(). For positional formatting I'm not so sure - if someone decided to convert from %-formatting to str.format, would it be such a burden to ask them to name their substitution variables in the process?

Silly example:

"%s occurs %s times in this format string" % (2, 2)

"{0} occurs {0} times in this format string".format(2)

"{num} occurs {num} times in this format string".format(dict(num=2))

Cheers,
Nick.

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