Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:39:01 am Georg Brandl wrote:
>>> Fredrik Lundh schrieb:
>>>> (using 3.0a4)
>>>>
>>>> >>> exec(open("file.py"))
>>>>
>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>>>> TypeError: exec() arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object, not
>>>> TextIOWrapper
>>>>
>>>> so what's "file" referring to here?
>>>>
>>>> (the above works under 2.5, of course)
>>> See http://bugs.python.org/issue1762972 -- it has been decided to
>>> drop that possibility.
>> Hmmm... I have a concern with one of the patches in that issue; I refer
>> to patch that changes the semantics of module's __file__ attribute.
>>
>> Guido noted that exec(open(M.__file__).read(), M.__dict__) almost worked
>> as a replacement for reload(), except that there were issues with file
>> extensions (.py, .pyc, .pyo and even things like .pyc24). So it was
>> decided that M.__file__ should always point to the source file.
>>
>> But now that reload() is now moved into the imp module, I don't see that
>> the justification for changing the semantics of M.__file__ still
>> exists. imp.reload(M) is much better for interactive use than
>> exec(open(M.__file__).read(), M.__dict__).
>>
>> Is there still a justification for having M.__file__ point to the source
>> even if the module was actually loaded from the .pyc version? If so,
>> what is that?
>>
>> Some years ago, as a newbie, I was having trouble with reload()
>> repeatedly not picking up changes I was making to a module. The problem
>> turned out to be user-error, but how I discovered that was by looking
>> at M.__file__ and noticing that Python was loading the .pyc file
>> instead of the .py file I was expecting. Had M.__file__ given
>> misleading information, I would have been mislead for much longer.
>> Here's a small contrived example under Python 2.5:
>>
>>>>> import parrot
>>>>> parrot.__file__
>> 'parrot.py'
>>>>> # pretend that I made changes to the source
>> ... # in my editor, but forgot to save them
>> ... reload(parrot)
>> <module 'parrot' from 'parrot.pyc'>
>>>>> parrot.__file__
>> 'parrot.pyc'
>>
>>
>> I don't think M.__file__ should lie and say it was loaded from a file
>> that it wasn't loaded from. It's useful to be able to look at a module
>> and see what file it was actually loaded from.
>
> While appreciate the use case, there are way more use cases where
> there's code that must painstakingly strip the trailing 'c' or 'o'
> from __file__ in order to read the source code. Perhaps we should have
> a separate API for finding out whether a module was loaded from source
> or from a .pyc file; but I think it would be better to have such an
> API somewhere in the imp module. It's also possible to follow what
> goes on by watching the verbose -v output.
>
Painstakingly? Surely the pain level isn't that high, and I agree with
Michael that the __file__ information would be better as the literal truth.
regards
Steve
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