On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:53 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" <mar...@v.loewis.de> wrote: .. > People need to recognize that any kind of reference is really irrelevant > here. There is no "right" order that is better than any other "right" > order. I'd personally object to any English language dictionary telling > me how my name sorts in the alphabet. > Even when an English language dictionary follows German rules? :-) BTW, I did quietly bring Peter Åstrand back to the end of the list yesterday and I agree that this is rather unimportant.
> (and yes, I do think it's "wrong" that it got sorted after Lyngvig - > in Germany, we put the ö as if it was "oe" - unlike the Swedes, which > put the very same letter after the rest of the alphabet. So the > ö in Chrigström sorts in a different way than the ö in Löwis. If I move > to Sweden, the file would have to change :-) I did search the mail archives for the discussion of Å's sorting order and now I think that the reference to Swedish rules is an ex-post rationalization. It looks like the original order was by Latin-1 code point and that explains both Å and ö positions. (I actually believe that the Swedish rules are fairly modern as well. Unlike other nations, Swedes don't mind breaking with traditions for modern conveniences. As far as I know, Sweden is the only nation where polite "you" (plural) was abolished by a language reform.) I raised this issue after one of my early check-ins got a response that acknowledgments should be alphabetized rather than added at the end of the list. [1] I pointed out that given that the file is encoded in UTF-8, it can potentially have last names starting with any unicode character and I was not familiar with any formal procedure that would define an alphabetic order in this case. A short brainstorming session on IRC and the tracker resulted with an agreement that no formal rule exists and the best we can do is to define the order as "rough". I am not 100% happy with this because I am sure people will keep discovering that the order in the file does not match the order suggested by their favorite sort program. I was also hoping to learn from this discussion what the state of the art in in sorting unicode words is. I believe this issue is addressed by some obscure parts of the unicode standard, but I am not familiar with them. [1] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-checkins/2010-May/093650.html _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
