On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Holger Krekel <holger.kre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Raymond Hettinger > <raymond.hettin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Apr 28, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Raymond Hettinger >>> <raymond.hettin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Holger Krekel wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Tarek Ziadé <ziade.ta...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> In my opinion assert should be avoided completely anywhere else than >>>>>>> in the tests. If this is a wrong statement, please let me know why :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I would turn that around. The assert statement should not be used in >>>>>> unit tests; unit tests should use self.assertXyzzy() always. >>>>> >>>>> FWIW this is only true for the unittest module/pkg policy for writing and >>>>> organising tests. There are other popular test frameworks like nose and >>>>> pytest >>>>> which promote using plain asserts within writing unit tests and also >>>>> allow to >>>>> write tests in functions. And judging from my tutorials and others >>>>> places many >>>>> people appreciate the ease of using asserts as compared to learning tons >>>>> of new methods. YMMV. >>>> >>>> I've also observed that people appreciate using asserts with nose.py and >>>> py.test. >>> >>> They must not appreciate -O. :-) >> >> It might be nice if there were a pragma or module variable to selectively >> enable asserts for a given test module so that -O would turn-off asserts in >> the production code but leave them on in a test_suite. > > A way to tell Python "if you are going to compile this module/path, > don't turn off asserts, no matter what" would be great. Then > nose/py.test and whichever tools/apps could fine-tune the handling of > asserts. (This would probably be better than marking things inline > for those use cases). Then testing with "-O" would work nicely as > well which would be appreciated :) > > best, > holger > > >> Raymond > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/fijall%40gmail.com >
Any reason why -O behavior regarding removing asserts should not be changed? Or should I go to python-ideas? _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
