On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:49:56 -0700
> Eli Bendersky <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:26:55 -0700
> > > Eli Bendersky <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Eli,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:12:53 -0700
> > > > > Eli Bendersky <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note how doing some sys.modules acrobatics and re-importing
> suddenly
> > > > > > changes the internal state of a previously imported module. This
> > > happens
> > > > > > because:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. The first import of 'csv' (which then imports `_csv) creates
> > > > > > module-specific state on the heap and associates it with the
> current
> > > > > > sub-interpreter. The list of dialects, amongst other things, is
> in
> > > that
> > > > > > state.
> > > > > > 2. The 'del's wipe 'csv' and '_csv' from the cache.
> > > > > > 3. The second import of 'csv' also creates/initializes a new
> '_csv'
> > > > > module
> > > > > > because it's not in sys.modules. This *replaces* the
> > > per-sub-interpreter
> > > > > > cached version of the module's state with the clean state of a
> new
> > > module
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say this is pretty much expected.
> > > >
> > > > I'm struggling to see how it's expected. The two imported csv
> modules are
> > > > different (i.e. different id() of members), and yet some state is
> shared
> > > > between them.
> > >
> > > There are two csv modules, but there are not two _csv modules.
> > > Extension modules are currently immortal until the end of the
> > > interpreter:
> > >
> > > >>> csv = __import__('csv')
> > > >>> wcsv = weakref.ref(csv)
> > > >>> w_csv = weakref.ref(sys.modules['_csv'])
> > > >>> del sys.modules['csv']
> > > >>> del sys.modules['_csv']
> > > >>> del csv
> > > >>> gc.collect()
> > > 50
> > > >>> wcsv()
> > > >>> w_csv()
> > > <module '_csv' from
> > > '/home/antoine/cpython/default/build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.4-pydebug/_
> > > csv.cpython-34dm.so'>
> > >
> > >
> > > So, "sharing" a state is pretty much expected, since you are
> > > re-initializating an existing module.
> > > (but the module does get re-initialized, which is the point of PEP
> 3121)
> > >
> >
> > Yes, you're right - this is an oversight on my behalf. Indeed, the
> > extensions dict in import.c keeps it alive once loaded, and only ever
> gets
> > cleaned up in Py_Finalize.
>
> It's not the extensions dict in import.c, it's modules_by_index in the
> interpreter state.
> (otherwise it wouldn't be per-interpreter)
>
> The extensions dict holds the module *definition* (the struct
> PyModuleDef), not the module instance.
>
Thanks for the clarification.
Eli
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