On 07/07/2015 03:10, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Cross-posted to redirect discussion. Replies directed to Python-Ideas.
Erik Bray writes on Python-Dev:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:22:46 +1000, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> The main change from the last version discussed on python-ideas
> >
> > Was it discussed there? That list has become totally useless, I've
> > stopped following it.
>
> Considering that a useful discussion of a useful PEP occurred there
> (not to mention other occasionally useful discussions) I'd say that
> such a value judgment is not only unnecessary but also inaccurate.
As you point out, the words "totally" and "useless" were unnecessary
and inaccurate respectively.
However, the gist of his post, that the S/N on Python-Ideas has become
substantially lower in the last few months, seems accurate to me. At
least two recent threads could have been continued on Python-List,
where they would have benefited a lot more users, and they didn't seem
profitable on Python-Ideas since it was quite evident that Those Who
Know About Python were adamantly opposed to the idea as discussed in
the thread, while the proponent kept pushing on that brick wall rather
than seeking a way around it.
I myself continue to follow Python-Ideas, Nick and other committers
are posting here daily, and even Guido manages to pop up occasionally,
so that may be no problem (or even a good thing if it results in
educating and inviting new committers in the long run). But I think
it's worth considering whether it we should cultivate a bit more
discipline here.
Again, discussion on Python-Ideas, please.
From https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas
<quote>
This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for
Python for possible inclusion into the language. If an idea gains
traction it can then be discussed and honed to the point of becoming a
solid proposal to put to python-dev as appropriate.
</quote>
Relative to the above I believe that far too many proposals are for
trivial ideas, mainly targetted at the stdlib, that would be better
suited to the main python list.
As for gaining traction, it's often the complete opposite, flogging a
dead horse is an understatement for some threads. Gently putting the OP
down with a firm but polite "it ain't gonna happen" would save a lot of
time all around.
Just my £0.02p worth.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark Lawrence
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