On Nov 26, 2015 4:53 PM, "Nick Coghlan" <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 27 November 2015 at 03:15, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote:
> > > Likewise in Ubuntu, we try to keep deviations from Debian at a minimum, and > > document them when we must deviate. Ubuntu is a community driven distro so > > while Canonical itself has customers, it's much more likely that feedback > > about the Python stack comes from ordinary users. Again, my personal goal is > > to make Python on Ubuntu a pleasant and comfortable environment, as close to > > installing from source as possible, consistent with the principles and > > policies of the project. > > I'd strongly agree with that description for Fedora and > softwarecollections.org, but for the RHEL/CentOS system Python I think > the situation is slightly different: there, the goal is to meet the > long term support commitments involved in being a base RHEL package. > As the nominal base version of the package (2.7.5 in the case of RHEL > 7) doesn't change, there is naturally going to be increasing > divergence from the nominal version. I think the goal in rhel/centos is similar, actually. The maintenance burden for non upstream changes has been acknowledged as a problem to be avoided by rhel maintainers before. The caveat for those distributions is that they accumulate more *backports*. However, backports are easier to maintain than non upstream changes. The test of the upstream community helps to find and fix bugs in the code; the downstream maintainer just needs to stay aware of whether fixes are going into the code they've backported. > I tried to go down the "upstream first" path with a properly supported > "off switch" in PEP 476, and didn't succeed (hence the monkeypatch > compromise). It sounds like several folks would like to see us revisit > that decision, though. > That's the rub. If there's now enough support to push this upstream I think everyone downstream will be happier. If it turns out there's still enough resistance to keep it from upstream then I suppose you cross that bridge if it becomes necessary. -Toshio
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