On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 14:11 Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote:
> >> Hmmmmmmm. So the question is, what is this test testing?
> >
> >
> > It's making sure people who work on the modules that are imported during
> > startup don't accidentally add another module dependency to the startup
> > sequence. Since module imports impact startup time we have historically
> > worked hard to minimize import dependencies for startup (hence things
> like
> > certain functions in the os module doing imports within a function even
> > though we discourage that practice in general).
>
> Fair enough. Which means it probably *should* import site, because
> that's going to happen on all normal usage. So that still leaves a few
> options:
>
> 1) Demand that .pth files restrict themselves to what's already
> imported. This means startup is still fast even if you have a bunch of
> pths. Downside: Third-party code can break Python's rules. Upside:
> When they do, it can be reported as a bug, the fixing of which will
> improve startup times when that's installed.
>
> 2) Change the test to somehow disable .pth execution while keeping the
> rest of site.py intact. This gives more consistent test results, but
> still is mostly applicable to normal usage.
>
> 3) Ignore the problem and assume that the Python test suite will be
> run with no site-packages installed. Status quo, basically. Possibly
> with some tweaks so running 'make test' ignores site-packages?
>
> Is #2 doable?


Anything is doable given enough time and effort. ;) As of right now the
only way is with -S.


> If not, can 'make test' somehow hack out site-packages?
>

The problem is you're dealing with startup which means it won't come into
effect until it's too late.
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