99% of the time I use a debugger I use pdb.set_trace(). The pm() stuff is typically useful for debugging small, simple programs only -- complex programs likely hide the exception somewhere (after logging it) so there's nothing for pdb.pm() to look at. I think Barry is wisely focusing on just the ability to quickly and programmatically insert a breakpoint.
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote: > >> This would also avoid confusion with IPython's very > >> useful debug magic: > >> https://ipython.readthedocs.io/en/stable/interactive/ > magics.html#magic-debug > >> and which might also be worth stealing for the builtin REPL. > >> (Personally I use it way more often than set_trace().) > > > > Interesting. I’m not an IPython user. Do you think its %debug magic > would benefit from PEP 553? > > Not in particular. But if you're working on making debugger entry more > discoverable/human-friendly, then providing a friendlier alias for the > pdb.pm() semantics might be useful too? > > Actually, if you look at the pdb docs, the 3 ways of entering the > debugger that merit demonstrations at the top of the manual page are: > > pdb.run("...code...") # "I want to debug this code" > pdb.set_trace() # "break here" > pdb.pm() # "wtf just happened?" > > The set_trace() name is particularly opaque, but if we're talking > about adding a friendly debugger abstraction layer then I'd at least > think about whether to make it cover all three of these. > > -n > > -- > Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ > guido%40python.org > -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
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