> On Oct 2, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  "What requests uses" can identify a useful set of
> avoidable imports. A Flask "Hello world" app could likely provide
> another such sample, as could some example data analysis notebooks).

Right.  It is probably worthwhile to identify which parts of the library are 
typically imported but are not ever used.  And likewise, identify a core set of 
commonly used tools that are going to be almost unavoidable in sufficiently 
interesting applications (like using requests to access a REST API, running a 
micro-webframework, or invoking mercurial). 

Presumably, if any of this is going to make a difference to end users, we need 
to see if there is any avoidable work that takes a significant fraction of the 
total time from invocation through the point where the user first sees 
meaningful output.  That would include loading from nonvolatile storage, 
executing the various imports, and doing the actual application.

I don't expect to find anything that would help users of Django, Flask, and 
Bottle since those are typically long-running apps where we value response time 
more than startup time.

For scripts using the requests module, there will be some fruit because not 
everything that is imported is used.  However, that may not be significant 
because scripts using requests tend to be I/O bound.  In the timings below, 6% 
of the running time is used to load and run python.exe, another 16% is used to 
import requests, and the remaining 78% is devoted to the actual task of running 
a simple REST API query. It would be interesting to see how much of the 16% 
could be avoided without major alterations to requests, to urllib3, and to the 
standard library.

For mercurial, "hg log" or "hg commit" will likely be instructive about what 
portion of the imports actually get used.  A push or pull will likely be I/O 
bound so those commands are less informative.


Raymond


--------- Quick timing for a minimal script using the requests module 
-----------

    $ cat > demo_github_rest_api.py
    import requests
    info = requests.get('https://api.github.com/users/raymondh').json()
    print('%(name)s works at %(company)s. Contact at %(email)s' % info)

    $ time python3.6 demo_github_rest_api.py
    Raymond Hettinger works at SauceLabs. Contact at None

    real        0m0.561s
    user        0m0.134s
    sys 0m0.018s

    $ time python3.6 -c "import requests"

    real        0m0.125s
    user        0m0.104s
    sys 0m0.014s

    $ time python3.6 -c ""

    real        0m0.036s
    user        0m0.024s
    sys 0m0.005s


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