On Fri, Dec 22, 2017, 11:38 Chris Barker, <chris.bar...@noaa.gov> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > >> I think it's worth reminding people that if they don't like the fact >>> dataclasses (ab)use type hints for their succinct syntax that you can >>> always use attrs instead to avoid type hints. >>> >> > sure -- but this doesn't really address the issue, the whole reason this > is even a discussion is because dataclasses is going into the standard > library. Third party packages can do whatever they want, of course. > > And the concern is that people (in particular newbies) will get confused / > the wrong impression / other-negative-response by the (semi) use of typing > in a standard library module. > I'm still not worried. Type hints are part of the syntax and so are no worse off than async/await and asyncio IMO. > >> As for those who feel dataclasses will force them to teach type hints and >> they simply don't want to, maybe we could help land protocols >> > > Could you please clarify what this is about ??? > There's a PEP by Ivan (on my phone else I would look up the number). -Brett > >> But I think the key point I want to make is Guido chose dataclasses to >> support using the type hints syntax specifically over how attrs does >> things, so I don't see this thread trying to work around that going >> anywhere at this point since I haven't seen a solid alternative be proposed >> after all of this debating. >> > > And the PEP has been approved. > > So the actionable things are: > > Writing good docs > > Converging on a "recommended" way to do non-typed dataclass fields. > > And that should be decided in order to write the docs, (and probably > should be in the PEP). > > -CHB > > > -- > > Christopher Barker, Ph.D. > Oceanographer > > Emergency Response Division > NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice > 7600 Sand Point Way NE > <https://maps.google.com/?q=7600+Sand+Point+Way+NE&entry=gmail&source=g> > (206) 526-6329 fax > Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception > > chris.bar...@noaa.gov >
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