> On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Eric V. Smith <e...@trueblade.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it would be a bad design to have to opt-in to hashability if using 
> frozen=True. 

I respect that you see it that way, but it doesn't make sense to me. You can 
have either one without the other.  It seems to me that it is clearer and more 
explicit to just say what you want rather than having implicit logic guess at 
what you meant.  Otherwise, when something goes wrong, it is difficult to debug.

The tooltips for the dataclass decorator are essentially of checklist of 
features that can be turned on or off.  That list of features is mostly 
easy-to-use except for hash=None which has three possible values, only one of 
which is self-evident.

We haven't had much in the way of user testing, so it is a significant data 
point that one of your first users (me) found was confounded by this API.  I 
recommend putting various correct and incorrect examples in front of other 
users (preferably experienced Python programmers) and asking them to predict 
what the code does based on the source code.


Raymond





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