I am one who was badly bitten by pip install into system in the past, and I have been using pip --user since. But there is one big usability issue here, there isn't a trivially simple way to make sure packages installed by pip are updated, much less automatically updated. I think it would be important for a change to --user by default to try to address this issue.
On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 11:39 PM Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11 December 2016 at 01:33, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: > > > > On Dec 10, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> P.S. For folks wondering what the problem with "--user" is on > >> Debian/Ubuntu, as far as I know it's mainly the fact that > >> "~/.local/bin" isn't on PATH by default, so scripts installed via > >> "--user" aren't automatically available. > > > > FWIW, I think Nathaniel? got the uh, Bash? Maintainers on Debian to add > it > > to the default skel for users. > > Ah, nice - that's very good to hear, as it removes one of the barriers > to making "--user" the default behaviour upstream in pip. > > However, it also reminded me of our past discussions about defaulting > to --user in pip, and re-reading the relevant issue brought me to: > https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1668#issuecomment-107016411 > > The specific proposal there was to: > > 1. Add the `--global` flag to pip upstream, so folks can always force > environment global installs by doing: > > pip3 install --global <install-spec> > > 2. Change the default install behavior in the Fedora system pip > package to include "--user" (and require an explicit "--global" to > override that) > > The burden would then be on Fedora as the distro to ensure that "pip3 > install <arbitrary-package>" still offered a good user experience, > such as making sure that the per-user bin directory was on PATH by > default. > > Actually doing that would mean taking Donald's first pass at > implementing the `--global` switch, bringing it up to merge-ready > standards, and then incorporating the pip release containing the > feature into Fedora: https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/2418 > > The benefit of that approach is that it would not only solve the > conflict between dnf and pip at the Fedora level, but also move the > packaging user experience forward for the Python ecosystem as a whole > (by making the `--global` switch available in anticipation of a future > upstream switch to `--user` as the default). > > Cheers, > Nick. > > -- > Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia > _______________________________________________ > python-devel mailing list -- python-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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