(Not Stephen either). I've been using attrs for some time now, but only superficially. I'm not sure yet if I want to make it mandatory for my team or not.
My biggest issues so far are: - how to truly leverage it with a declarative ORM? (SQLAlchemy in my case, the workaround being to only use a subset of attrs' functionalities, at the expense of additional complexity). - how to make it interop with type annotations? (Which is also an issue for SQLAlchemy, AFAIK, at this point). I won't be in Pycon (but I will be at PyParis next month, obviously, since I'm organising it ;). Hynek will be there, from what I see so obviously if a PEP or some fresh ideas emerge from the discussions there, I'll be more than happy. Have a nice Pycon. S. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum <gvanros...@gmail.com> wrote: > Stephen, > > What features of attrs specifically solve your use cases? > > --Guido > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Stephan Houben <stephan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks to this thread I learned about the "attrs" library. I am a >> heavy namedtuple (ab)user but I think >> I will be using attrs going forward. >> >> If something like attrs would made it in the standard library it would >> be awesome. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stephan >> >> 2017-05-16 20:08 GMT+02:00 Brett Cannon <br...@python.org>: >> > Maybe we can bring this up as a lightning talk at the language summit >> to see >> > who in the room has the appropriate background knowledge? And obviously >> > someone can talk to Hynek to see if he wants to provide input based on >> > community feedback for attrs and lessons learned. >> > >> > On Tue, 16 May 2017 at 08:11 Guido van Rossum <gvanros...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Maybe Lukasz is interested? >> >> >> >> On May 16, 2017 8:00 AM, "Chris Angelico" <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > I could also try this myself in my spare time at PyCon >> (surprisingly, I >> >>> > have >> >>> > some!). It sounds kind of interesting. However I've never used the >> >>> > 'attrs' >> >>> > package... >> >>> >> >>> Me neither, so I'm not really an ideal person to head this up. Is >> >>> there anyone who (a) knows what is and isn't Pythonic, (b) has used >> >>> 'attrs', and (c) has spare time? It's not an easy trifecta but we can >> >>> hope! >> >>> >> >>> ChrisA >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Python-ideas mailing list >> >>> Python-ideas@python.org >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> >>> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Python-ideas mailing list >> >> Python-ideas@python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Python-ideas mailing list >> > Python-ideas@python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > >> > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) > > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > -- Stefane Fermigier - http://fermigier.com/ - http://twitter.com/sfermigier - http://linkedin.com/in/sfermigier Founder & CEO, Abilian - Enterprise Social Software - http://www.abilian.com/ Chairman, Free&OSS Group / Systematic Cluster - http://www.gt-logiciel-libre.org/ Co-Chairman, National Council for Free & Open Source Software (CNLL) - http://cnll.fr/ Founder & Organiser, PyData Paris - http://pydata.fr/ --- “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” — R. Buckminster Fuller
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