It has been brought to my attention that some people found this email as sounding rather angry. I was frustrated (and there is more to this specific issue than what everyone is seeing publicly), but I didn't meant for it to come off as angry, and for that I apologize.
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 at 09:49 Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > Everyone, please be upfront when proposing any ideas if you refuse to > implement your own idea yourself. It's implicit that if you have an idea to > discuss here that you are serious enough about it to see it happen, so if > that's not the case then do say so in your first email (obviously if your > circumstances change during the discussion then that's understandable). > Otherwise people will spend what little spare time they have helping you > think through your idea, and then find out that the discussion will more > than likely end up leading to no change because the most motivated person > behind the discussion isn't motivated enough to actually enact the change. > > And if you lack knowledge in how to implement the idea or a certain area > of expertise, please be upfront about that as well. We have had instances > here where ideas have gone as far as PEPs to only find out the OP didn't > know C which was a critical requirement to implementing the idea, and so > the idea just fell to the wayside and hasn't gone anywhere. It's totally > reasonable to ask for help, but once again, please be upfront that you will > need it to have any chance of seeing your idea come to fruition. > > To be perfectly frank, I personally find it misleading to not be told > upfront that you know you will need help (if you learn later because you > didn't know e.g. C would be required, that's different, but once you do > learn then once again be upfront about it). Otherwise I personally feel > like I was tricked into a discussion under false pretenses that the OP was > motivated enough to put the effort in to see their idea come to be. Had I > known to begin with that no one was actually stepping forward to make this > change happen I would have skipped the thread and spent the time I put in > following the discussion into something more productive like reviewing a > pull request. > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 at 08:26 Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> > wrote: > >> thank you! I am happy that Guido is open for a pull request ... There >> were +1 votes, too (and some concern about python >> startup time). >> >> >> I stopped coding in spare time, since my children are more important at >> the moment .. if some wants to try it ... go >> ahead and implement named tuples for the socket standard library - would >> be great. >> >> Just for the records, I came here because of this feature request: >> >> https://github.com/giampaolo/psutil/issues/928 >> >> Regards, >> Thomas Güttler >> >> PS: For some strange reasons I received only some mails of this thread. >> But I could >> find the whole thread in the archive. >> >> Am 20.06.2017 um 04:05 schrieb INADA Naoki: >> > Namedtuple in Python make startup time slow. >> > So I'm very conservative to convert tuple to namedtuple in Python. >> > INADA Naoki <songofaca...@gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Victor Stinner >> > <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh, about the cost of writing C code, we started to enhance the socket >> >> module in socket.py but keep the C code unchanged. I am thinking to the >> >> support of enums. Some C functions are wrapped in Python. >> >> >> >> Victor >> >> >> >> Le 19 juin 2017 11:59 PM, "Guido van Rossum" <gu...@python.org> a >> écrit : >> >>> >> >>> There are examples in timemodule.c which went through a similar >> conversion >> >>> from plain tuples to (sort-of) named tuples. I agree that upgrading >> the >> >>> tuples returned by the socket module to named tuples would be nice, >> but it's >> >>> a low priority project. Maybe someone interested can create a PR? >> (First >> >>> open an issue stating that you're interested; point to this email >> from me to >> >>> prevent that some other core dev just closes it again.) >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Victor Stinner < >> victor.stin...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi, >> >>>> >> >>>> 2017-06-13 22:13 GMT+02:00 Thomas Güttler < >> guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>: >> >>>>> AFAIK the socket module returns plain tuples in Python3: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> https://docs.python.org/3/library/socket.html >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Why not use named tuples? >> >>>> >> >>>> For technical reasons: the socket module is mostly implemented in the >> >>>> C language, and define a "named tuple" in C requires to implement a >> >>>> "sequence" time which requires much more code than creating a tuple. >> >>>> >> >>>> In short, create a tuple is as simple as Py_BuildValue("OO", item1, >> >>>> item2). >> >>>> >> >>>> Creating a "sequence" type requires something like 50 lines of code, >> >>>> maybe more, I don't know exactly. >> >>>> >> >>>> Victor >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Python-ideas mailing list >> >>>> Python-ideas@python.org >> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> >>>> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Python-ideas mailing list >> >> Python-ideas@python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Python-ideas mailing list >> > Python-ideas@python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > > > >> >> -- >> Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-ideas mailing list >> Python-ideas@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >
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