On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 05:55, Greg Ewing <greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:07 PM Chris Barker - NOAA Federal via > > Python-ideas <python-ideas@python.org> wrote: > > > >>>>> obj is iter(obj) > >> > >>Is that a hard and fast rule? > > Yes, it is. > > > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#iterator-types > > The docs aren't very clear on this point. They claim this is necessary > so that the iterator can be used in a for-loop, but that's obviously > not strictly true, since a proxy object could also be used.
See also https://docs.python.org/3.7/glossary.html#term-iterator, which reiterates the point that "Iterators are required to have an __iter__() method that returns the iterator object itself". By that point, I'd say the docs are pretty clear... > They also make no mention about whether one should be able to rely > on this as a definitive test of iterator-ness. That glossary entry is linked from https://docs.python.org/3.7/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Iterator, so it would be pretty hard to argue that it's not part of the "definitive test of iterator-ness". > In any case, I don't claim that my MapView implements the full > iterator protocol, only enough of it to pass for an iterator in > most likely scenarios that assume one. But not enough that it's legitimate to describe it as an "iterator". It may well be a useful class, and returning it from a map-like function may be a practical and effective thing to do, but describing it as an "iterator" does nothing apart from leading to distracting debates on how it doesn't work the same as an iterator. Better to just accept that it's *not* an iterator, and focus on whether it's useful... IMO, it sounds like it's useful, but it's not backward compatible (because it's not an iterator ;-)). Whether it's *sufficiently* useful to justify breaking backward compatibility is a different discussion (all I can say on that question is that I've never personally had a case where the current Python 3 behaviour of map is a problem). Paul _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
