[Marcos Eliziario] > Typical technical discussion in threaded discussion foruns > --First Post > -- First Level > -- First level with an interesting idea (let's do B?) > -- 2nd level discussing some potential issues with B > -- 2nd level workaround for said issues, namely, making sure D > -- 2nd level more discussion > -- 2nd level add nausean > -- 3rd replied by mistake last poster, not parent thread > -- 3rd some are answering here now > -- 2nd another guy answering ad nausean here > -- 2nd unrelated thoughts > -- 2nd discussion continues on the parent level, but some answers are > buried on the level below "ad nausean > -- a consensus is found! > -- Yeah, let's do B, but taking care of D > -- bla bla bla > .... > .... > -- Hey, what if we did B? > -- all over again.........
Is this intended to make forums look better or worse than the typical Python-ideas thread. My experience has been: -- First Post -- Counterpoint A -- I'm -1 on this -- Counterpoint A -- Counterpoint A -- Counterpoint B -- Counterpoint A -- I'm -1 on this -- Counterpoint A ... On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:38 PM Marcos Eliziario <marcos.elizia...@gmail.com> wrote: > Typical technical discussion in threaded discussion foruns > --First Post > -- First Level > -- First level with an interesting idea (let's do B?) > -- 2nd level discussing some potential issues with B > -- 2nd level workaround for said issues, namely, making sure D > -- 2nd level more discussion > -- 2nd level add nausean > -- 3rd replied by mistake last poster, not parent thread > -- 3rd some are answering here now > -- 2nd another guy answering ad nausean here > -- 2nd unrelated thoughts > -- 2nd discussion continues on the parent level, but some answers are > buried on the level below "ad nausean > -- a consensus is found! > -- Yeah, let's do B, but taking care of D > -- bla bla bla > .... > .... > -- Hey, what if we did B? > -- all over again......... > > > > Em sex, 1 de fev de 2019 às 22:30, Abe Dillon <abedil...@gmail.com> > escreveu: > >> [David Mertz] >> >>> I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in >>> anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any >>> rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation >>> based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other >>> readers. >> >> >> >> I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any >>> system where such ratings of comments existed. >> >> >> Then just sort by chronological order. >> >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:19 PM David Mertz <me...@gnosis.cx> wrote: >> >>> I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in >>> anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any >>> rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation >>> based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other >>> readers. >>> >>> I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any >>> system where such ratings of comments existed. >>> >>> There is one property that every system invented to supercede email have >>> in common. They are all dramatically worse in almost every way. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 5:09 PM Abe Dillon <abedil...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> [Dan Sommers] >>>> >>>>> Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is >>>>> that there are many of them, and *you* control the display >>>>> and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum >>>>> or owns the server. >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a tool called the Reddit Enhancement Suite or RES (and >>>> probably others) >>>> That lets you control a great deal of the display and other >>>> preferences, however; I'm not >>>> sure how that control compares to something like Thunderbird. >>>> >>>> One thing that's nice about Reddit is you can link to posts, so if >>>> you've already discussed something at length in another thread, >>>> you can simply refer to that discussion. >>>> >>>> [Dan Sommers] >>>> >>>>> In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users >>>>> don't count for anything. The ideas stand on their own >>>>> merits and research and metrics; users only serve to >>>>> confirm the methodology. >>>> >>>> >>>> A lot can be said about how an ideal world would work. Ideally, we >>>> could define the meaning of life and good and evil and we wouldn't need >>>> this clumsy system of laws and courts to approximate the whole mess. >>>> >>>> I don't think it's that crazy to think that a voting system might >>>> approximate merit a little better than the timestamp on a post. >>>> It's not going to be perfect, but perfect shouldn't be the enemy of >>>> better. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 3:17 PM Dan Sommers < >>>> 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2/1/19 2:58 PM, Abe Dillon wrote: >>>>> > [Dan Sommers] >>>>> > >>>>> >> A mailing list is not a feed... Dan, a decades and decades long fan >>>>> of >>>>> >> mailing lists and real email clients. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm only familiar with Gmail which keeps reply chains coherent and >>>>> moves >>>>> > each chain to the top of my "forums" tab based on who responded last. >>>>> > I haven't explored the various email clients available, can you >>>>> suggest one? >>>>> >>>>> I used mutt for a long time, and then claws-mail, and now >>>>> thunderbird. They all met my needs, although I did give >>>>> up on claws-mail when I got a hidpi display (claws-mail >>>>> based on gtk2, which doesn't grok hidpi displays). >>>>> >>>>> Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is >>>>> that there are many of them, and *you* control the display >>>>> and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum >>>>> or owns the server. >>>>> >>>>> > [Dan Sommers] >>>>> > >>>>> >> Whoever posted last ends up at the bottom of the thread, so that I >>>>> can >>>>> >> read threads from top to bottom in chronological order. Getting the >>>>> >> last word in shouldn't earn a spot at the top of the list. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > That doesn't like any closer an approximation to a merit-based >>>>> solution to >>>>> > me. >>>>> Perhaps not all by itself. Many/most email clients allow >>>>> individual users to "score" emails by various criteria, and >>>>> then to display higher scoring messages "above" the others, >>>>> or not display certain messages at all. Personally, I don't >>>>> use the automated systems, but they're very comprehensive >>>>> (arguably too complicated), and again, *user* adjustable. >>>>> >>>>> In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users >>>>> don't count for anything. The ideas stand on their own >>>>> merits and research and metrics; users only serve to >>>>> confirm the methodology. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Python-ideas mailing list >>>>> Python-ideas@python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >>>>> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Python-ideas mailing list >>>> Python-ideas@python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >>>> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Python-ideas mailing list >> Python-ideas@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > > > -- > Marcos Eliziário Santos > mobile/whatsapp/telegram: +55(21) 9-8027-0156 > skype: marcos.elizia...@gmail.com > linked-in : https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliziario/ > >
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