Hi folks,

moderator here. I’d (strongly) suggest no further replies, unless there’s 
something Python specific to discuss. I’ll put the list into emergency 
moderation for a bit.

thanks,
—titus

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Ricky Teachey <ri...@teachey.org> wrote:
> 
>  
> I have found that trying to explain the value of true notation to people who 
> lack the experience and training is always a losing proposition.  I'm already 
> regretting having started this thread, simply because I know how this works.  
> Frankly, it's almost like trying to engage with a religious person while 
> trying to discuss the lack of evidence for the existence of supernatural 
> beings.  They "know" what they "know" and it is a very rare case that someone 
> is actually going to get out of that box and comprehend what you are saying.
> 
> 
> 
> I am done with this thread.  It has received nothing but close-minded 
> hostility.  Which is fine.  I understand.  That's the way the world works.  
> I've seen this kind of thing happen in many domains, not just programming.
> 
>  
> 
> I intend this response in the most friendly and kind way possible:
> 
> Approaching discussion in such a manner-- i.e., with the assumption that 
> other people, who see things differently than your (in your view) grounded, 
> logical, thought through, and deeply held standpoint, must "lack" things like 
> experience, training, or comprehension (in the example of your interlocution 
> with religious people) if they continue to differ with you-- could be one 
> reason people have reacted with what you are interpreting as hostility.
> 
> People often naturally react hostile way when they detect the person they are 
> talking with believes they are lacking in some way.
> 
> Furthermore, speaking as a religious person who is coming from a tradition 
> that is deeply introspective, and has grappled for centuries with other 
> points of view, I suggest that disparaging the ability of religious people to 
> "comprehend" your views doesn't make the point you think it does. Might want 
> to find a new example. My two cents.
> 
> ---
> Ricky.
> 
> "I've never met a Kentucky man who wasn't either thinking about going home or 
> actually going home." - Happy Chandler
> 
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