EVERYONE, please don’t follow up on the meta discussion. What’s said is said. But this type of discussion never leads to anything useful, and often causes more bad blood. (Chris, next time I think it would be better if you sat on your hands. And ditto for everyone else who thinks to respond to an issue about tone.)
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 23:44 Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:22 PM Aleksi Matikainen > <allu.matikai...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > And in the end, I ended up transforming the strings, using str.replace > as you and the comments in Stack Overflow suggested. It worked great! > > It is also a good point that I should explain in detail why a module > should be changed, I will definitely think about that later first if I run > into another problem. > > > > In other words, what Andrew suggested was, in fact, the solution you went > with. > > > I'm still a bit surprised at the negative tone in your reply. [chomp > lots of passive-aggressive chuff] > > (N.B. I have also seen this kind of negative reply culture before in the > whole Stack Overflow community, which makes me a bit sad. Is it because > many programmers are engineers? I have noticed this kind of behavior in the > engineering student / tech community too: always looking for answers for > every problem, always thinking their own solution is the best one, no > matter what the situation, often forgetting the manners or that we all are > humans, after all, and some are just learning new things out of curiosity. > I'm an engineer/former tech student myself.) > > > > By "negative tone", do you mean that you were given advice that > involved something other than what you specifically asked for help > with? You had a problem, and your proposed solution was to *change a > programming language* to suit your purposes. Instead, you were given > an extremely workable method - which you ended up using - for solving > the problem by writing code. Which is exactly what programmers do. > > http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal > > When you start out by requesting a specific step, rather than your > ultimate goal, you have to be prepared for people to offer solutions > that achieve the goal by some other means. (Sometimes those solutions > won't actually work. But you can always respond saying "yes, that > would work, except that X Y and Z".) > > > I hope you will think about what I wrote in the third paragraph. You > will have much more success if you shape your answers in a positive and > constructive way and leave negative things behind. I have observed this in > every learning situation I have been in and the best results have been in > the positive communities where I get positive and constructive feedback. > > > > Define "success". What would Andrew succeed at better? Remember, he > isn't being paid to solve your problems in your preferred way. What he > offered you was a perfectly valid solution to your problem, and > ultimately, he isn't paid to do that either, so "success" isn't really > the best term to use even for that. But let's suppose that success is > defined as "getting a response from the OP saying that the problem was > solved". If that's the case, then this thread is a success for both > Andrew and Rhodri, since both posts were making the same > recommendation (although Rhodri didn't go into much detail). > > Perhaps, before you jump to the conclusion that people are being > "negative", you should reconsider how you are judging those responses. > Focus less on whether someone gave you the precise solution you hoped > they'd magic up, and more on whether your actual problem was solved. > > ChrisA > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/5XJVTIYDXWCMFQPJ2GQJK6SLZFM4B63P/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- --Guido (mobile)
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