Ok so let's do it like this. I'll open a PR against the PEP and I will aggregate all the feedback from this discussion as additional notes. I'll have to re-read the PEP myself, It's been a while. As I said, I'm swamped so I might start working on it probably on Monday.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 23:08, Christopher Barker <python...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stefano Borini <stefano.bor...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Maybe I should open a new PEP? > > > I"ll let teh PEP editors decide, but it look slike it was "rejected"m with > this comment: > > "The idea never seemed to gain any traction over its near 5 years in > existence as a PEP." > > So I'd think re-opening it would be fine -- rather than clutter up the PEP > namespace... > > Maybe we could use a "suspended" status for PEPs? > > -CHB > > > >> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 14:26, Jonathan Fine <jfine2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Thank you all for your posts. I'm busy now and for the next few days, so >> > have little time to respond. Here's some comments and suggestions. >> > >> > I hope that Andras, Caleb, Stefano, Neil, Joao Bueno, Todd and Stephan >> > will take a special interest in this post. In the previous thread, these >> > people saw that the proposed new syntax >> > d[1, 2, a=3, b=4] >> > would bring benefits to their own particular use of Python. (Apologies for >> > any omitted names or misunderstanding of posts). >> > >> > I hope the package kwkey shows that it is possible now to write >> > from kwkey import o >> > d[o(1, 2, a=3, b=4)] >> > as a workable present day substitute for the proposed syntax >> > d[1, 2, a=3, b=4] >> > >> > I think using this can safely go ahead, even though there may be >> > disagreements on the meaning of 'o' and the implementation of classes that >> > take advantage of the new syntax. Indeed, I think going ahead now will >> > contribute to understanding and resolving the disagreements, by creating a >> > shared experience. >> > >> > I suggest that those who previously suggested uses for the proposed syntax >> > now implement some examples. (I give a list below.) They can do this using >> > my API, Steven's API, or any other API. Or indeed now, using the return >> > value of 'o' directly. >> > >> > I've started this process with a toy example: >> > https://github.com/jfine2358/python-kwkey/blob/master/kwkey/example_jfine.py >> > >> > Here are three aspects to the proposed syntax. They are all important, and >> > good design will balance between the various parts and interests. >> > >> > First, ordinary programmers, who perhaps want >> > d[1, 2] >> > d[x=1, y=2] >> > d[1, y=2] >> > d[y=2, x=1] >> > to all be equivalent, for d a mapping of whose domain is points in the x-y >> > plane. More complicated examples might be found in function annotations >> > (Andras Tantos, Caleb Donovick), quantum chemistry (Stefano Borini), >> > networkx (Neil Girdhar), numpy and pandas (Joao Bueno), xarrary (Todd, >> > Stephan Hoyer). >> > >> > Second, there are those who implement classes that make use of the >> > proposed syntax. >> > >> > Third, there are those who implement the extension of Python that allows >> > d[o(1, 2, a=3, b=4)] >> > to be replaced by >> > d[1, 2, 3, 4] >> > >> > I suggest that those who see benefits in feature produce experimental >> > implementations via kwkey, just as I did in my kwkey.example_jfine. It is >> > possible to do this now, and so have benefits now, in a way that is >> > reasonably future proof regarding implementation of the proposed new >> > syntax. >> > >> > If you're a user of kwkey, I will have some time available to help you if >> > you want it. >> > >> > I hope this helps some, and harms none. >> > -- >> > Jonathan >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, >> >> Stefano Borini >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/QK3YV3BUTF4VCPKNNMHFDWVJDQIJMZ3A/ >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > -- > Christopher Barker, PhD > > Python Language Consulting > - Teaching > - Scientific Software Development > - Desktop GUI and Web Development > - wxPython, numpy, scipy, Cython -- Kind regards, Stefano Borini _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/3ZVAM2G2MEFID3I767EUVV54MXLG3TET/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
