On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:22 AM Eric V. Smith <e...@trueblade.com> wrote: > > > On 11/19/2020 2:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:05:02AM +1300, Greg Ewing wrote: > >> On 20/11/20 12:24 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>> Have you considered the value of using zipapp > >>> You get all the advantages of a single runnable file, and > >>> all the advantages of NOT including the full Python interpreter with > >>> it. > >> It won't have all the properties of an app bundle on MacOSX, though. > > Firstly, does that matter? And secondly, what would it take to give it > > those additional properties? > > It does matter. On Windows, for example, you can't use subprocess.run on > a zipapp. See > https://docs.python.org/3/library/zipapp.html#making-a-windows-executable. > This is similar (but different) from not using .bat file wrappers for > console entry points via pip, and instead creating a .exe file. > > But even that doesn't help with the use case of wanting an executable > without having to install Python first. I've had need to ship an > executable to users who have no idea what Python is. I just want a > normal Windows .exe file that's self contained. >
And that's exactly why I say it's an attractive nuisance. It's very tempting to think "oh, I could just make it easier for my users, and then they don't have to think about anything". But what happens when there's a security patch for Python? Are they going to continue to not think about the dependency? Until you (manually) push out an update, they can't do a thing to fix the problem. And if they get multiple of these statically-linked Python executables, they have to have independent duplicates of all of Python, each one a snapshot at the version that someone chose to publish. Python can be installed from the Microsoft App Store or whatever it's called. Just get people to do that and then double click on the .pyz file. Is it really that hard? (Yes, I know that there will be specific situations where that's not possible. That's why the various .exe creation tools need to exist. It does NOT mean they need to be in the stdlib.) ChrisA _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/FDGCDE3N3JOT6MOHGB2MSALQC7XN7N2W/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
