On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 01:31:28PM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:

> > * Teachers can teach to use `open_text` to open text files. Students
> > can use "utf-8" by default without knowing about what encoding is.
> 
> Let's also add max_int(), min_int(), max_float(), min_float() builtins.
> Teachers can teach that if you need to min ints, then to use min_int(),
> if you need to min floats, then to use min_float(), and otherwise, use
> min(). Bonus point: max_int(), min_int(), max_float(), min_float() are
> all easier to annotate.

Why would we need to do that? The proposed `open_text()` builtin solves 
an actual problem with opening files on one platform. Is there an 
equivalent issue with some platform where min() and max() misbehave by 
default with ints and floats?

If not, then your analogy is invalid.

If so, please raise a bug on the tracker.

Adding this proposed `open_text` function does not require us to add 
multiple redundant functions that solve no problems.


> > So `open_text()` can provide better developer experience, without
> > waiting 10 years.
> 
> Except that in 10 years, when the default encoding is finally changed,
> open_text() is a useless function, which now needs to be deprecated and
> all the fun process repeated again.

It won't be useless. It will still work as well as it ever did, so 
useful. It might be redundant, in which case we could deprecate it in 
documentation and take no further action until Python 5000.


-- 
Steve
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