On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:31 PM Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 22:27, Greg Ewing <greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > > > > On 2/12/21 4:40 am, Paul Moore wrote: > > > the > > > intended use is that people must supply a list[int] or not supply the > > > argument *at all*. > > > > I don't think this is a style of API that we should be encouraging > > people to create, because it results in things that are very > > awkward to wrap. > > Hmm, interesting point, I agree with you. It's particularly telling > that I got sucked into designing that sort of API, even though I know > it's got this problem. I guess that counts as an argument against the > late bound defaults proposal - or maybe even two: > > 1. It's hard (if not impossible) to wrap functions that use late-bound > defaults. > 2. The feature encourages people to write such unwrappable functions > when an alternative formulation that is wrappable is just as good. > > (That may actually only be one point - obviously a feature encourages > people to use it, and any feature can be over-used. But the point > about wrappability stands). >
Wrappability when using an arbitrary sentinel looks like this: _SENTINEL = object() def f(value=_SENTINEL): if value is _SENTINEL: value = ... # in another module def wrap_f(): othermodule.f(othermodule._SENTINEL) Or: def wrap_f(): othermodule.f(othermodule.f.__defaults__[0]) I'm not sure either of these is any better than the alternatives. You're reaching into a module to access its internal implementation details. Is that really better than messing with *args? def wrap_f(): args = [42] or [] # pass or don't pass? othermodule.f(*args) It only looks easy when None is used, and even then, it's largely an implementation detail. ChrisA _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/LF4Q4TPOBQYK5VE2UPYFEFFMGD32NYAG/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/