At the Language Summit a few days ago we discussed this problem. I wasn't involved in this discussion, but it's a hard one to solve.
You may be interested in HPy (https://hpyproject.org/), which aims to provide what you are looking for. El dom, 23 abr 2023 a las 6:18, Evan Greenup via Python-ideas (< python-ideas@python.org>) escribió: > Dear All > > Python is a "glue" language, its dynamic nature has programming advantage > and performance disadvantage. > The best way to use Python is write Python code for high-level stuff and > use native programming language like C, Rust, Zig, V for low level stuff. > Currently, there is library like PyO3 and so on. > However there is a lot of limitation in those library. > > 1. The "FFI" library is implementation specific. For example, PyO3, it > highly depend on specific version of CPython. If you use a different > version of CPython, there is some work for you to do. If you don't use > CPython, for example use another Python Implementation, This framework may > not work. > 2. The project structure is rigid. When using something like PyO3. you > must make your project structure following certain pattern, then finally > produce a complete wheel package. The majority Python programmer does not > write a whole Python project for a installable package and pack it up then > install it. They are edit Python source file iteratively and run it > locally. > 3. It is really ridiculous when you want to stick some item on the > wall. You need to totally redesign this item and manufacture a new item to > fit the glue you are going to use. As a glue language, Python should be > designed to glue other native programming language as a feature of Python > programming language itself not the tricks of certain variant of > implementation. > > It would be nice to add the feature in Python Standards (no matter what > implementation is used) to satisfy the following capabilities: > > - The interface is universal across all variant and version of Python > implementation (There might be protocol version update and may not > backward-compatible, but it is not bounded with Python implementation). The > overall effect is in some extent like JSON, but it is not a structured > string, It is a lively data structure with in-memory representation, they > are unified no matter what Python variant is used and what low level native > language is used. > - This mechanism is transparent to users, there is modules in standard > library to support it. If user want, they can design a toy native > programming language, and use Python to write a compiler for it. Then write > a module with custom language then compile and import it. This mechanism > provide user with maximum flexibility. > - almost zero-cost abstraction. Even if it not depend on CPython > tricks. But the central idea of this mechanism is still the dynamic linking > feature provided by operating system. The detailed format will be slightly > different. It doesn't introduce new stuff in nature. It doesn't spawn new > process, nor launch a VM, and nor I/O operations is involved. It just make > some basic data representation conversion and invoke the method in dynamic > library. > > This is just a raw idea. If it is valuable, it can take a discussion and > make further steps. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/R2NBDZHCCTJNRN27XP7PY7QLKDLYKSAW/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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