[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Giovanni> In fact, are you absolutely positive that you need so > much Giovanni> effort to maintain an existing bugtracker > installation? > > The development group's experience with SF and I think to a lesser > extent, Roundup in its early days, and more generally with other > components of the development toolchain (source code control) and > python.org website maintenance suggests that some human needs to be > responsible for each key piece of technology. Maybe when it's mature > it needs very little manpower to maintain, but a substantial > investment is required when the technology is first installed.
One thing is asking for a special help during the transition phase and the "landing" phase (the first few months). Another thing is asking for "roughly 6-10 people" to install and maintain a Roundup installation. This is simply not going to realistically happen, and I find it incredible for the PSF committee to ask for such a high request. Damn, we don't have "roughly 6-10 people" in charge of reviewing patches or fixing bugs. I followed the GNATS -> Bugzilla transition myself closely, and a single person (Daniel Berlin) was able to setup the Bugzilla server on the gcc.gnu.org computer, convince everybody that a transition was needed (and believe me, this was a hard work), patch it as much as needed to face the needs of the incredibly picky GCC developers (asking for every little almost-unused-and-obsoleted feature in GNATS to be replicated in Bugzilla), and later maintain the installation. It took him approximately one year to do this, and surely it wasn't full time. After that, he maintains and administer the Bugzilla installation on his own, by providing upgrades when needed and a few modifications. I wonder why the PSF infrastructure committee believes that a group of 6-10 people is needed to "install and maintain" Roundup. Let us also consider that Roundup's lead developer *was* part of the PSF infrastrucutre committee, and he might be willing to help in the transition (just my very wild guess), and he obviously knows his stuff. Also, given the requirement for the selection, there is already a running roundup installation somewhere (so the whole pipeline export -> import has already been estabilished and confirmed to work). My own opinion is that a couple of person can manage the transition/migration phase to *any* other bug tracking system, and provide support in the python-dev mailing list. After the whole thing has fully landed, I'd be really surprised if a single appointed maintainer would not be enough. If the PSF committee lowers its requests to a more realistical amount of effort, I'm sure we will see many more people willing to help. I think many people (including myself) would be willing to half-half-help with loose ends, but when faced with an abnormous "6-10 people" request they just shut up and sit in a corner. -- Giovanni Bajo -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
