On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:59:58 -0500 Ken Tilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
#> > Could it be because of people like J Shrager who writes things like this? #> > #> > "Can't you just expand the language via macros to create whatever facility #> > of this sort [major new features with new syntax] you need..." #> #> The context was CLOS. Something that big needs new syntax. Really? What if we *do not want* anything that big in Python? #> > (This thread, dated 8 Dec 2006 23:38:02 -0800) #> > #> > To someone outside of Lisp, that looks like "I can make Lisp look like any #> > language I like in just a few lines." #> #> On the contrary, And you are the right person to say how things look like for *someone outside Lisp* exactly why? #> Your hands must be getting sore from banging that drum so hard and so #> long -- has it ever occurred to you that good programmers concerned #> with power do not obfuscate code? Has it ever occurred to you that some of us need to read code written by not-so-good programmers? #> We love the chance to preach to the unsaved, so we are indebted to #> you for the many chances to clarify, but something tells me I should #> check the c.l.p archives to make sure I am not chatting away happily #> with the village idiot. :) Would you do me a favour and check the same thing on c.l.l while you are at it? #> > And that implies that to read a Lisp program, one might need to be #> > able to read code that looks like Lisp, or Smalltalk, or Prolog, or #> > Fortran, or all of those, or whatever bizarre syntax the developer #> > wanted it to look like. #> #> "I don't want to think, I just want to bang on de drum all day. I #> don't want to learn, just want to bang on de drum all day." Too bad for you. Steven has a valid point here, BTW. #> > Sure. But in the real world of programming, most developers aren't #> > good developers, they are merely average #> #> Two questions: do you really voluntarily use libraries from crappy #> developers? Voluntarily as in "in my work place"? I mean, I *am* voluntarily staying employed, if you wish look at it this way... #> Second, you think a language can stop people from writing bad code? No. But writing bad code can be made more or less difficult. -- Best wishes, Slawomir Nowaczyk ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) "Consequences, shmonsequences! So long as I'm rich!" -- Daffy Duck -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list