En Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:42:39 -0200, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> Diez B. Roggisch a écrit : >>> >>> It's also some kind of a Rube Goldberg thingie... >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine >>> >>> If you're into web applications, better to have a look at Pylons or >>> Django IMHO. >> >> You are entitled to your opinion, but calling Zope a >> Rube-Goldberg-machine is strong. To put it mildly. How about sharing >> some of the reasons for this? > > A few years experience with it - both using it 'barebones' and working > with cmf-based apps like Plone and CPS. There are quite a few very > interesting and/or clever things in Zope, and a lot to learn from it's > strong and weak spots, but in it's current state, Zope2.x is layers > above layers of ill-documented base classes and not-always-that-clever > hacks. And Zope3 - which is indeed way cleaner - seems to be wanting to > be more xmlish than any Java thingie ever. I completely agree. Zope had a strong and powerful idea in the beginnings: let's publish objects on the Web! let's make a URL to invoke an object's methods with arguments! let's use persistent objects! Compared with the CGI spaghetti code mixing HTML and application logic and infrastructure in the same script (PHP/perl/ASP/whatever) that was so common some years ago, Zope was a blessing. But the original idea degenerated in a mamooth-like framework, rigid, convoluted, and hard to use. In Zope2 there is an extremely deep class hierarchy almost for anything (30 and more base classes wasn't uncommon - who can tell from *where* an attribute comes from?). And so much black magic - strange name conventions for all, that probably originated from the stone age, when Python had no decorators, no writeable function attributes, no metaclasses... and that lasted for a long time, Zope was stuck at using old-style classes years after they were introduced in Python 2.2 I might consider using Plone -not Zope alone!- if I had to build a portal exactly like Plone likes it. But nothing more. There are many other alternatives right now so I can stay far away from Zope, even given my masochistic tendencies. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
