szr wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:40:03 -0700, szr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
Stephan Bour wrote:
Lew wrote:
} John Thingstad wrote:
} > Perl is solidly based in the UNIX world on awk, sed, } > bash
and C. I don't like the style, but many do.
}
} Please exclude the Java newsgroups from this discussion.
Did it ever occur to you that you don't speak for entire news
groups?
Did it occur to you that there are nothing about Java in the above ?
Looking at the original post, it doesn't appear to be about any
specific language.
Indeed. That suggests it's probably off-topic in most, if not all,
of the newsgroups to which it was posted, inasmuch as they exist for
topics specific to a given programming language.
Perhaps - comp.programming might of been a better place, but not all
people who follow groups for specific languages follow a general group
like that - but let me ask you something. What is it you really have
against discussing topics with people of neighboring groups? Keep in
mind you don't have to read anything you do not want to read. [1]
I very much doubt that the original thread is relevant for the Java
group.
But the subthread Lew commente don was about Perl and Unix. That is
clearly off topic.
Personally I am rather tolerant for topics. But I can not blame Lew
for requesting that a Perl-Unix discussion does not get cross posted
to a Java group.
Regardless, unless you are actually reading this thread from the
c.l.j.p newsgroup, I'm not sure I see the point in questioning
someone who _is_ about whether the thread belongs there or not.
I would rather have the OP comment about that, as he started the thread.
But what gets me is why you are against that specific group being
included but not others? What is so special about the Java group and why
are you so sure people there don't want to read this thread? [1] What
right do you or I or anyone have to make decisions for everyone in a
news group? Isn't this why most news readers allow one to block a
thread?
I doubt Lew read any of the other groups, so it seems quite
natural that he did not comment on the on/off topic characteristics
in those.
And if it's a vote you want, mark me down as the third person reading
c.l.j.p that doesn't feel this thread belongs. I don't know whether
Lew speaks for the entire newsgroup, but based on comments so far,
it's pretty clear that there unanimous agreement among those who have
expressed an opinion.
Ok, so, perhaps 3 people out of what might be several hundred, if not
thousand (there is no way to really know, but there are certainly a lot
of people who read that group, and as with any group, there are far more
readers than there are people posting, so, again, just because you or
two other people or so don't want to read a topic or dislike it, you
feel you can decide for EVERYONE they mustn't read it? Again, this is
why readers allow you to ignore threads. Please don't force your views
on others; let them decide for themselves. [1]
And I am sure that Lew did not intended to pretend to speak for
the entire group. He spoke for himself.
I believe there has been several posts that agreed with him and none
that disagreed, so it seems very plausible that the group indeed agree
with him.
Arguing that a huge silent majority has a different opinion
than those speaking up is a very questionable argument. Everybody
could try and count them for their view. The only reasonable
thing is not to count them.
Arne
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