On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:32:00PM -0700, Lie wrote: > > The term "PC" is commonly used in English, in the United States > > and other English speaking countries, to mean a computer running > > Microsoft Windows. > > As far as I am aware, they're like that because most people aren't > even aware that there are other OSes than Microsoft Windows.
You are missing two points. The first one: It doesn't matter what the reasons are for the terminology to be common. It only matters that it IS common. It is; and it is therefore "correct" in the sense that it conveys a meaning to the overwhelming majority of English speakers, which is the intended one. As for the question of whether or not it is appropriate to refer to Windows installations as "PC", it's as simple as that. It is, by definition (via common usage). That is what this thread is about. > The reason why the world hasn't evolved to the two predictable cases > ("all kinds of microcomputers" or "IBM-PC and clones"), is what I'll > explain below. Your explanation is irrelevant to the argument of whether or not the term PC is an inappropriate term to describe a Windows installation, which is what this thread is about. That is the premise put forth by the OP, and that is the notion to which I am responding. It simply is not wrong or inappropriate in any sense; it is in fact correct, regardless of how the meaning or usage resulted, and regardless of any ADDITIONAL meanings the term may have. For what it's worth, your explanation is also WRONG; the term PC began to be popularly used in the United States to describe Intel-based Microsoft machines when there was a proliferation of other kinds of personal computers available to consumers. When it was first used this way, the IBM PC was *NOT* the most popular personal computer... the Commodore 64 was. It dates from a time when the Commodore VIC-20 and C64, Atari 400 and 800, Timex Sinclair, and other computers were all very popluar home machines. The term probably originated primarily because IBM chose to name their computer the IBM PC, and because of Americans' predeliction to abbreviate everything that's more than 2 syllables. ;-) > > It wasn't something that Apple started; it's been used this way > > in increasingly common usage for at least 20 years, although > > exactly what combination of hardware and software was being > > refered to as a "PC" has evolved over that timeframe. > > Apple popularizes the term by explicit marketing, And here is the last point you are missing: Apple does no such thing. They are only using a term in a way that has previously been popularized by the computer industry as a whole, and its market (i.e. consumers, predominantly American consumers historically) for *DECADES*. If I'm not mistaken, their ad campaign mentioning PCs is less than 10 years old (though I can't quickly find any references as to the date). The popularization of the term PC to refer to Intel-compatible machines running Microsoft OSes PREDATES APPLE'S AD CAMPAIGN BY OVER 10 YEARS. Therefore none of your points are valid or relevant, as to the question of whether the usage of the term "PC" to describe windows builds of Python is appropriate. Can we return to the subject of Python now? -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D
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