On Oct 29, 4:25 am, "Diez B. Roggisch" <de...@nospam.web.de> wrote: > CSharpner schrieb: > > > Alright, I'm not new to programming, but I'm diving in head first into > > Python for the first time. I'm running on Windows 7, just installed > > "Eclipse Java EE IDE for Web Developers" and installed PyDev in it and > > installed Python 2.6. I've written my first "Hello World" program, > > which simply displays "Hello World!" in the console output. > > > Here's what I /want/ to do, but don't know where to begin: > > > - Write web services in Python (I've done plenty of this in .NET, > > BTW). > > This depends. If by "web services" you mean generally HTTP-based RPC, > such as JSON or XMLRPC - yes. If you talk about offering a SOAP-server, > then Python is rather painful in that respect. Which partially is his > (or his 3rd-party-libs) fault, but IMHO mostly because that whole > standard is as crappy as it can get, and my personal experience told me > to not expect interoperability from it anyway. > > > - Write plain DLLs (is that even an option in Python (I told you I was > > a newb to Python, didn't I? :)) > > There is elmer:http://elmer.sourceforge.net/ > And you can create COM servers with win32-extensions, and AFAIK > IronPython allows you to create something like DLLs also. > > > - Write a web app (HTML front end, Python web services called from > > JavaScript). > > Plenty of options here, popular choices of frameworks include Django, > TurboGears 1 & 2, Pylons, werkzeug, web.py and some more. > > > - Write a plain old web app with Python (no web services or Ajax, just > > plain HTML & Python). > > See above, just don't use AJAX.... > > > - Is it possible to create a Windows client desktop GUI app with > > Python? How? How 'bout a Linux GUI app? > > Both, with various toolkits such as Tk, Wx, Qt, GTK. > > > > > I don't know how to create and write a Python project with Eclipse to > > tell it to "be" a web service or a web app, or if what I need to do in > > the code to make as such, no "run" it from Eclipse to launch the app > > in a web server and launch a browser automatically. Can I debug after > > doing this? In other words, can I put break points in my web services > > or web apps and go back into the IDE to step through the code for web > > services and web apps? > > First of all: in python, you don't code like in VisualStudio, with an > application template wizard. You simply start coding. Some of the > frameworks such as TurboGears and Django actually do have such wizards, > but they aren't integrated into the IDE, and once you started, you don't > automate anything further. And usually, this is a good thing - the > wizard-stuff is for languages that need a lot of boilerplate. Python is > quite successful in not needing that. > > Debugging is certainly possible the way you want it, or at least close > to that. I personally am satisfied with the built-in debugger, pdb. But > PyDev comes with one that's supposed to be quite good as well, and > winpdb is also deemed excellent. > > > > > Also, I'm not tied to Eclipse. I'm totally open to other IDEs as > > well. SharpDevelop with the Python plugin looks interesting too. > > > And finally, I'm not completely committed to using Windows to host my > > development either. I'm willing to use Linux too (but would prefer > > Windows... at least to get started, until I'm comfortable enough with > > Python). > > Cross-platform, especially within the web-world, is usually a no-brainer > in python. > > Diez
Thanks Diez! Both your and Alex's advice are a great help! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
